FIVE LITTLE SISTERS WHO ASKED JESUS TO LIVE IN THEIR HEART [LINK] [122h]

This story begins “these are the stories of how the Five little Sisters asked Jesus to live in their heart.”   https://katrina2446.wordpress.com/2016/03/15/five-little-sisters-who-asked-jesus-to-live-in-their-heart

ORIGINALLY POSTED ON  “Following Him No Matter What” BLOG. Reposted on crossroman see post number 122 or follow the link above.

THE MOST IMPORTANT VERSE IN THE BIBLE? [1808a]

Surely the verse which enables the exposure of the greatest lie ever told, that being the lie that Jesus has not totally and completely exonerated you from your sins so as to provide you with an escape from them?

That great lie which is embodied in the wrongly promoted view which is that Romans 7 describes a Christian instead of a non-Christian sinner, and which enables and promotes the view that it is OK to sin because even Paul did so in Romans 7. Only he didn’t, nor was he presenting or representing Christianity, but the very thing FROM which we are rescued in order to BECOME Christians. That is, the power of sin which comes from being under the law.

So that verse then would be Romans 7 verse 1. “OR DO YOU NOT KNOW, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person only as long as he lives?” To whom then is Paul speaking? TO THOSE WHO KNOW THE LAW. I.E. The Jewish converts in the congregation.

To whom is he NOT speaking? TO THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW THE LAW I.E. The gentile converts in the congregation.

WHY IS THIS SO? It is because chapter 6 has presented the gospel which most have readily accepted, but Paul SINGLES OUT those who have previously lived under the law in order to give them extra special advice and instruction about why the law covenant had to be done away with and a new Grace covenant installed in its place.

He has to DEBRIEF and DEPROGRAMME them from their previous influence and belief system regarding the law. He has to explain both HOW the covenant was changed as well as the NECESSITY for it to be changed.

So He compares it with a marriage contract which only ends when a partner dies, at which point the remaining partner is free to enter into a NEW contract with another partner. So death has dissolved the prior contract of union with the covenant of law, the believer has “died to the law” through the body of Christ, and is freed from the old contract of law, having satisfied all the conditions of that prior contract, not only in terms of a death having occurred for the failure to keep the old, but also in terms of having kept it through that same now resurrected body of Jesus.

So Jesus satisfied the law FOR US in order to free us to receive His own Spirit of life, freely given as demonstrated at Pentecost.

Gentile believers did not need this ‘deconstruction’ process and so were not included in Paul’s lesson about it. But the prior followers of the law certainly did, as do many supposed “Christians” today who still refuse to accept that the law was fulfilled FOR THEM, that they become free to “marry” Christ and His righteousness instead of trying to establish their own righteousness.

He also has to explain just how the sin process, deriving its power base from law, operates in one who is under law. Therefore he offers a full and complete explanation of this sin process (of sinful flesh) to show why law only serves to completely corrupt the human nature through “sinful flesh”.

While this instruction IS helpful to all, it becomes destructive to those who take it the wrong way, who believe he is talking about the Christian experience, and this leads to many sinful excesses because it does two things, it maintains the authority of the law (which believers have died to through Christ’s body) and it blasphemes the Holy Spirit by claiming that Jesus and His Spirit are not enough to save one from their sins. By claiming to represent the Christian experience, it sustains the sinful processes supposedly in the presence of the Spirit, and supposedly in the presence of law, again, which they have supposed to have, by faith, “died to”. So where is their faith if not still in the old covenant of law flesh sin and death?

To explain this the wrong way is to proclaim the power of sin, not the power of the gospel.

If you want to wreck Christianity, just promote law instead of the Spirit. This is how all the “anti-Christs” and the sects and cults seem to do it.

THE MOST IMPORTANT VERSE IN THE BIBLE? [1808]

Surely the verse which enables the exposure of the greatest lie ever told, that being the lie that Jesus has not totally and completely exonerated you from your sins so as to provide you with an escape from them?

That great lie which is embodied in the wrongly promoted view which is that Romans 7 describes a Christian instead of a non-Christian sinner, and which enables and promotes the view that it is OK to sin because even Paul did so in Romans 7. Only he didn’t, nor was he presenting or representing Christianity, but the very thing FROM which we are rescued in order to BECOME Christians. That is, the power of sin which comes from being under the law.

So that verse then would be Romans 7 verse 1. “OR DO YOU NOT KNOW, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person only as long as he lives?” To whom then is Paul speaking? TO THOSE WHO KNOW THE LAW. I.E. The Jewish converts in the congregation.

To whom is he NOT speaking? TO THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW THE LAW I.E. The gentile converts in the congregation.

WHY IS THIS SO? It is because chapter 6 has presented the gospel which most have readily accepted, but Paul SINGLES OUT those who have previously lived under the law in order to give them extra special advice and instruction about why the law covenant had to be done away with and a new Grace covenant installed in its place.

He has to DEBRIEF and DEPROGRAMME them from their previous influence and belief system regarding the law. He has to explain both HOW the covenant was changed as well as the NECESSITY for it to be changed.

So He compares it with a marriage contract which only ends when a partner dies, at which point the remaining partner is free to enter into a NEW contract with another partner. So death has dissolved the prior contract of union with the covenant of law, the believer has “died to the law” through the body of Christ, and is freed from the old contract of law, having satisfied all the conditions of that prior contract, not only in terms of a death having occurred for the failure to keep the old, but also in terms of having kept it through that same now resurrected body of Jesus.

So Jesus satisfied the law FOR US in order to free us to receive His own Spirit of life, freely given as demonstrated at Pentecost.

Gentile believers did not need this ‘deconstruction’ process and so were not included in Paul’s lesson about it. But the prior followers of the law certainly did, as do many supposed “Christians” today who still refuse to accept that the law was fulfilled FOR THEM, that they become free to “marry” Christ and His righteousness instead of trying to establish their own righteousness.

He also has to explain just how the sin process, deriving its power base from law, operates in one who is under law. Therefore he offers a full and complete explanation of this sin process (of sinful flesh) to show why law only serves to completely corrupt the human nature through “sinful flesh”.

While this instruction IS helpful to all, it becomes destructive to those who take it the wrong way, who believe he is talking about the Christian experience, and this leads to many sinful excesses because it does two things, it maintains the authority of the law (which believers have died to through Christ’s body) and it blasphemes the Holy Spirit by claiming that Jesus and His Spirit are not enough to save one from their sins. By claiming to represent the Christian experience, it sustains the sinful processes supposedly in the presence of the Spirit, and supposedly in the presence of law, again, which they have supposed to have, by faith, “died to”. So where is their faith if not still in the old covenant of law flesh sin and death?

To explain this the wrong way is to proclaim the power of sin, not the power of the gospel.

If you want to wreck Christianity, just promote law instead of the Spirit. This is how all the “anti-Christs” and the sects and cults seem to do it.

HOW THE SIN MECHANISM WORKS [1807b]

This is not meant to be a complicated explanation but one where it may be seen that our religious thinking has been influenced by tradition rather than logic. Combining the thinking of Paul, James and others, exposes the sin mechanism as being rooted in our physiology where the input of external stimuli results in a reaction to it which brings about what we call sin, and it is the “word” which does this because it causes an equal and opposite reaction to that which the word or command dictates to us*.

So Romans 7 exposes this issue, but it is not normally seen this way because of our preconceived ideas and religious biases as brought about by tight religious tradition and an emphasis on literality instead of analogy. This is probably why the meaning of Romans 7 is so hotly contested, because the sinful nature that we start with does not want to be exposed for what it is, and certainly does not want a solution which will destroy its own self serving identity.

Genesis gives us the first clue as to the operation, the workings, of this sin nature, when everything in the garden is fine and rosy UNTIL God gives the command “DO NOT…” which results in a reaction which immediately queries the nature of the command, as to establish its veracity or to verify its validity within the context it was given. Of necessity, side issues enter into the thinking process which query what possible motivational scenarios might exist that may have given rise to the command that was issued. [I.E. that God (righteousness) was not to be trusted].

We see in Romans 7 how it is spelled out to us that the command causes sin through the nature of the flesh, which is exactly what Genesis is also describing.

Then James puts forth the clarity of the matter where he says that “every man is tempted (drawn into a variation or divergence from the command) when by his own desire he is led and enticed…” which is what Romans 7 is explaining in verse 5 “For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death”. And verse 9 “And I was once alive apart from the Law, but when the commandment came, sin became alive, and I died.”

Likewise when Adam fell to temptation the commandment came and aroused ‘sinful passions’ which “sprang to life” and he died.

Then Jesus is taken** into the wilderness (of his mind) where temptation occurs by and through the word or commands as presented to His mind by the “devil”. Just as Adam was led to query God’s command in the garden, so also was Jesus being led to query God’s commands or word, as represented by the “devil” ‘whispering in his ear’ ‘It is written…’ or ‘has God said ?’.

Jesus of course responded with complete denial of the assertions which these temptations were implying or making, and instead strongly defended and asserted the validity of God’s word or command. Whereas Adam both entertained this kind of thinking and carried it through, so in this way he fell victim to the “sinful passions aroused by the law” and was forevermore corrupted in spirit heart and mind, like all following flesh also was. But Jesus did not ‘fall for it’ like all his predecessors, although he was ‘made in all ways like his fellows’ (Hebrews) His Spirit was of His Father, He knew who He was even though temptation sought to realign His identity to that of a lesser being, one who would accept kingship of this world rather than the next.

Romans 7 presents this very same scenario in detail of how the righteous command causes an inner reaction which queries the motivation behind and the validity and authority of the word. Being “of flesh” means we are always at the mercy of this physiological and psychological phenomena until we are no longer not only “of flesh” Rom.7:14 and “in the flesh” Rom.8:9, but by rebirth Rom.8:2 become “in the Spirit” Rom.8:9 as Jesus was.

[An ongoing discussion might be ‘how the salvation mechanism works’][*The cross then provides the answer to this] [N.B. I would strongly suggest that the bi-state of the two laws of R7:25 provides insight into the difference between the flesh of Jesus and the initial flesh of Adam.][**Both Jesus and Adam could have been either led or driven into the wilderness by the agitation of conflicting internal thoughts]

AN UNINSPIRED CONCLUSION TO THE MATTER OF CHRISTIAN VARIANTS [1801a]

[January 5 2022] This was the post I was reluctant to write, because it seems unavoidable that in order to point up the individuality of the Christian faith, it is necessary to reveal what it is NOT, that it is NOT compatible with the faith of its origins in Judaism which are based on law. It may owe a debt of origin in terms of it being the very REVERSAL of the effect of any system of laws, but its degree of shift from that origin is absolute and complete, that God is Himself not, nor does He demand either subservience OR homage to any such system whereby the human anatomy is kept in a state of uninspired debt to its basic nature, in which attainment of an ultimately elevated state of spirituality is impossible to be achieved.

The Christian belief is that to have real life is only possible by having the Spirit of life as given freely by God and made freely available to all.

It is this Spirit of life that God made available through His Son, in contrast to any attempted self achievement of righteousness by any other way, especially a very system of laws which can only point out the difference which exists between a spirit of death in the absence of a (The) Spirit of life.

It is the retention of systems of law that pollute the pure Spirit of the life in Christ, that pollute and contaminate the Christian Spirit, as they install corrupted versions of the divine nature within “Christian” congregations.

One can only have the Spirit of life by actually HAVING that Spirit of life, as given and received when one has faith in Jesus. He who has the Son has life, he who does not have the Son has only the death that the default position of not having the Son of life, is.

Jesus Himself said “If you do not believe that I am He, then you will die in your sins”. Jesus “became a life giving Spirit” so that we do not die in our sins, but instead are rescued from them that we no longer live in them or in any system of sin, but rather that we dwell in the light as He is in the light. We shift from death consciousness to life consciousness.

Traditional Christianity has proclaimed “The ten commandments” to such an extent that it has become woven into the fabric of the substitutionary and counterfeit new covenant. The distinction between the old and new covenants is lost, and the boundaries blurred to such an extent that this gives rise to such errors as calling Romans 7 the Christian position, when it is indeed the position of one under the law before coming to Christ, not his performance afterwards.

People cannot see that there is a leaving of the old covenant and a cleaving to the new, they are far too comfortable with a system of guidance by law, to entertain the thought of guidance by some supposed esoteric spirit which operates through a cleansed heart and conscience by acceptance of the sacrifice of Christ as delivered by the love of God and His only begotten Son. The blood of His sacrifice and the renewal of His own body as a way of creating a pathway of eternal salvation is not seen by them as being sufficient incentive to accept the way of the Spirit and the way of His love over the way of written down concepts of what may be right and wrong. To deny this Spirit of salvation is to deny His life given for us.

So instead of a Christianity guided by the Spirit of Christ Himself, elements of death are retained because elements of law are retained which simply reinforce the system of law flesh sin and death.

So it simply amounts to a refusal to leave the old covenant and cleave to the new covenant.

Modern theology denies the power of the Spirit as demonstrated at Pentecost, instead reducing it to a morality where the old covenant in their thinking has superior power and authority to the new. By so doing they deny both the power of God and their own salvation.

And what is the demonstration of this false religion? It lies in everything which tries to downgrade the Spirit and to upgrade the law, which tries to reduce the identity and existence of the Spirit, in preference for the retention of some law based concept or precept which usually originates in some legalistic sect or cult or belief of a Unitarian based religion where to them the idea of God having a Son who is divine, is against their fundamental belief in a “God is only one” concept. It is also for this reason they deny the “Trinity”, because to accept it would place too much emphasis on the “person” of the Spirit. They refuse to recognise that the basis of the promise of salvation was to be achieved by the reception of the Holy Spirit and that it is by Him personally indwelling us that reconciliation with God is achieved, and by whom we are sanctified. There has also been physical circumcision when the new covenant makes the clear distinction between that and a spiritual circumcision of the heart for believers.

So what is the solution to this problem? It is to ensure separation of the old and the new, to leave the old behind and to concentrate on the new, which is life of and by the Spirit, whatever the reality of that may prove to be. Scripturally, it must be LOVE.

HOW THE SIN MECHANISM WORKS [1807a]

This is not meant to be a complicated explanation but one where it may be seen that our religious thinking has been influenced by tradition rather than logic. Combining the thinking of Paul, James and others, exposes the sin mechanism as being rooted in our physiology where the input of external stimuli results in a reaction to it which brings about what we call sin, and it is the “word” which does this because it causes an equal and opposite reaction to that which the word or command dictates to us*.

So Romans 7 exposes this issue, but it is not normally seen this way because of our preconceived ideas and religious biases as brought about by tight religious tradition and an emphasis on literality instead of analogy. This is probably why the meaning of Romans 7 is so hotly contested, because the sinful nature that we start with does not want to be exposed for what it is, and certainly does not want a solution which will destroy its own self serving identity.

Genesis gives us the first clue as to the operation, the workings, of this sin nature, when everything in the garden is fine and rosy UNTIL God gives the command “DO NOT…” which results in a reaction which immediately queries the nature of the command, as to establish its veracity or to verify its validity within the context it was given. Of necessity, side issues enter into the thinking process which query what possible motivational scenarios might exist that may have given rise to the command that was issued. [I.E. that God (righteousness) was not to be trusted].

We see in Romans 7 how it is spelled out to us that the command causes sin through the nature of the flesh, which is exactly what Genesis is also describing.

Then James puts forth the clarity of the matter where he says that “every man is tempted (drawn into a variation or divergence from the command) when by his own desire he is led and enticed…” which is what Romans 7 is explaining in verse 5 “For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death”. And verse 9 “And I was once alive apart from the Law, but when the commandment came, sin became alive, and I died.”

Likewise when Adam fell to temptation the commandment came and aroused ‘sinful passions’ which “sprang to life” and he died.

Then Jesus is taken** into the wilderness (of his mind) where temptation occurs by and through the word or commands as presented to His mind by the “devil”. Just as Adam was led to query God’s command in the garden, so also was Jesus being led to query God’s commands or word, as represented by the “devil” ‘whispering in his ear’ ‘It is written…’ or ‘has God said ?’.

Jesus of course responded with complete denial of the assertions which these temptations were implying or making, and instead strongly defended and asserted the validity of God’s word or command. Whereas Adam both entertained this kind of thinking and carried it through, so in this way he fell victim to the “sinful passions aroused by the law” and was forevermore corrupted in spirit heart and mind, like all following flesh also was. But Jesus did not ‘fall for it’ like all his predecessors, although he was ‘made in all ways like his fellows’ (Hebrews) His Spirit was of His Father, He knew who He was even though temptation sought to realign His identity to that of a lesser being, one who would accept kingship of this world rather than the next.

Romans 7 presents this very same scenario in detail of how the righteous command causes an inner reaction which queries the motivation behind and the validity and authority of the word. Being “of flesh” means we are always at the mercy of this physiological and psychological phenomena until we are no longer not only “of flesh” Rom.7:14 and “in the flesh” Rom.8:9, but by rebirth Rom.8:2 become “in the Spirit” Rom.8:9 as Jesus was.

[An ongoing discussion might be ‘how the salvation mechanism works’][*The cross then provides the answer to this] [N.B. I would strongly suggest that the bi-state of the two laws of R7:25 provides insight into the difference between the flesh of Jesus and the initial flesh of Adam.][**Both Jesus and Adam could have been either led or driven into the wilderness by the agitation of conflicting internal thoughts]

HOW THE SIN MECHANISM WORKS [1807]

This is not meant to be a complicated explanation but one where it may be seen that our religious thinking has been influenced by tradition rather than logic. Combining the thinking of Paul, James and others, exposes the sin mechanism as being rooted in our physiology where the input of external stimuli results in a reaction to it which brings about what we call sin, and it is the “word” which does this because it causes an equal and opposite reaction to that which the word or command dictates to us*.

So Romans 7 exposes this issue, but it is not normally seen this way because of our preconceived ideas and religious biases as brought about by tight religious tradition and an emphasis on literality instead of analogy. This is probably why the meaning of Romans 7 is so hotly contested, because the sinful nature that we start with does not want to be exposed for what it is, and certainly does not want a solution which will destroy its own self serving identity.

Genesis gives us the first clue as to the operation, the workings, of this sin nature, when everything in the garden is fine and rosy UNTIL God gives the command “DO NOT…” which results in a reaction which immediately queries the nature of the command, as to establish its veracity or to verify its validity within the context it was given. Of necessity, side issues enter into the thinking process which query what possible motivational scenarios might exist that may have given rise to the command that was issued. [I.E. that God (righteousness) was not to be trusted].

We see in Romans 7 how it is spelled out to us that the command causes sin through the nature of the flesh, which is exactly what Genesis is also describing.

Then James puts forth the clarity of the matter where he says that “every man is tempted (drawn into a variation or divergence from the command) when by his own desire he is led and enticed…” which is what Romans 7 is explaining in verse 5 “For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death”. And verse 9 “And I was once alive apart from the Law, but when the commandment came, sin became alive, and I died.”

Likewise when Adam fell to temptation the commandment came and aroused ‘sinful passions’ which “sprang to life” and he died.

Then Jesus is taken** into the wilderness (of his mind) where temptation occurs by and through the word or commands as presented to His mind by the “devil”. Just as Adam was led to query God’s command in the garden, so also was Jesus being led to query God’s commands or word, as represented by the “devil” ‘whispering in his ear’ ‘It is written…’ or ‘has God said ?’.

Jesus of course responded with complete denial of the assertions which these temptations were implying or making, and instead strongly defended and asserted the validity of God’s word or command. Whereas Adam both entertained this kind of thinking and carried it through, so in this way he fell victim to the “sinful passions aroused by the law” and was forevermore corrupted in spirit heart and mind, like all following flesh also was. But Jesus did not ‘fall for it’ like all his predecessors, although he was ‘made in all ways like his fellows’ (Hebrews) His Spirit was of His Father, He knew who He was even though temptation sought to realign His identity to that of a lesser being, one who would accept kingship of this world rather than the next.

Romans 7 presents this very same scenario in detail of how the righteous command causes an inner reaction which queries the motivation behind and the validity and authority of the word. Being “of flesh” means we are always at the mercy of this physiological and psychological phenomena until we are no longer not only “of flesh” Rom.7:14 and “in the flesh” Rom.8:9, but by rebirth Rom.8:2 become “in the Spirit” Rom.8:9 as Jesus was.

[An ongoing discussion might be ‘how the salvation mechanism works’][*The cross then provides the answer to this] [N.B. I would strongly suggest that the bi-state of the two laws of R7:25 provides insight into the difference between the flesh of Jesus and the initial flesh of Adam.][**Both Jesus and Adam could have been either led or driven into the wilderness by the agitation of conflicting internal thoughts]

CLINGING TO A COUNTERFEIT CROSS [1654bd]

The above is the title of a piece by J.P. Shelly, “Chapter 15, sin and the misinterpretation of Romans 7”, in “TRUTH ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE” which I reproduce here in part.

“When considering the topic of sin, the passage most often used to defend its pervasiveness in the Church is that of Romans 7:14-25. It is one of the most controversial and debated passages in Scripture. Is Paul speaking of a believer, an unbeliever, or something else entirely? The massive amount of material written on the subject is evidence of the extent of its significance in influencing one’s view of the Christian life. Emotions run high when debating this issue and the rigidity on both sides are dramatic, A.W. Pink states:

(View 1) “This moan, ‘O wretched man that I am,’ expresses the normal experience of the Christian, and any Christian who does not so moan is in an abnormal and unhealthy state spiritually. The man who does not utter this cry daily is either so out of communion with Christ, or so ignorant of the teachings of scripture, or so deceived about his actual condition, that he knows not the corruptions of his own heart and the abject failure of his own life. The one who is truly in communion with Christ, will…emit this groan…daily and hourly.”

On the other side of the issue Adam Clarke says:

(View 2) “It is difficult to conceive how the opinion could have crept into the church, or prevailed there, that the apostle speaks here of his regenerate state; and that what was, in such a state, true of himself, must be true of all others in the same state. This opinion has, most pitifully and most shamefully, not only lowered the standard of Christianity, but destroyed its influence and disgraced its character…. That all that is said in this chapter of the carnal man, sold under sin, did apply to Saul of Tarsus, no man can doubt: that what is here said can ever be with propriety applied to Paul the Apostle, who can believe? Of the former, all is natural; of the latter, all here said would be monstrous and absurd, if not blasphemous.”

Web link https://www.truthaccordingtoscripture.com/documents/books/counterfeit-cross/romans-7.php#.YIEbwB3iuUk

MY COMMENT ON THIS IS. These two views given of Romans 7 surely demonstrate the extreme degree of error involved in either the one or the other.

These two views seem to embrace fully and completely, the idea and therefore reality of, EITHER the absolute ACCEPTANCE of sin in the Christian life, or the absolute REJECTION of sin in the Christian life.

AS SUCH, they must represent the two views of EITHER the “mind of the flesh” OR, “the mind of the Spirit”.

WHICH IS WHICH?

The ‘mind of the flesh’ must surely seek to retain its “life”, its IDENTITY, by the continuation of its presence. The ‘mind of the Spirit’ must surely seek to destroy or severely disable any presence or identity of sin, just as Jesus did.

The question then is, “What is intended to be achieved by FAITH? The last part of the second view allocates BLASPHEMY to the first view, this being how serious this matter is.

BY FAITH, this sinful identity, this SELF, this “sin in the flesh” is intended to be put to death. Its power and identity has been killed on the cross, and by faith we ACQUIRE this same death. “Those who are his have crucified the flesh…”. They acquire Christ.

So the FIRST view is surely an expression of how this has failed to happen, and is continuing to fail to happen. It is an expression of defeat, allowing for continuation of both SIN and LAW, the one obtaining power from the other.

BY FAITH we leave the identity of “sinner” to join with Christ in His identity of Victor, Overcomer, sinless. This expression is found in John, “…he cannot sin, because he has been born of God”.

So here we surely have revealed to us how the mind of the flesh is determined at any cost to hang onto its sinful identity by refusing to submit or to be submitted to, the identity of CHRIST. Blasphemy indeed.

The FIRST view then, is a refusal and a reluctance to be in submission to Christ, and expresses the continuing dominance of the flesh over the identity of the person involved. Those of this first view then, are willingly in denial of the cross of Christ.

Christ in His life, separated the two natures, the spiritual from the natural, so that His identity was “IN” the Spiritual. We now do the same thing; only now we live in Him, in His identity, having rejected our natural identity in order to assume to ourselves HIS SPIRIT, now passed through the fire so we might gain, by faith, HIS VICTORY ALSO.

When we consider the fall of creation, the “opening of Pandora’s box”, the release of evil, the creation of the “Doctor Jekyll and Mr. Hyde” situation, and the horrific consequences that resulted in the monstrous fallen identity of mankind: Then the term BLASPHEMY in relation to the promulgation of view number one is surely not strong enough.

[We are reconciled by His physical body through death]

Joyful songs https://crossroman.wordpress.com/2021/04/09/joyful-songs-773ay/

We have been betrayed https://crossroman.wordpress.com/2021/06/08/we-have-been-betrayed-by-pastors-ministers-and-priests-1682b/

Romans 7 Does Not Describe Your Christian Experience

See also Bible Life Ministries https://biblelife.org/romans7.htm

FURTHER TO THE ISSUE OF THE “I”. Just a quick note to say that there is no mystery about Paul’s “I” at all. In amongst his historical dealings with the law, he comments that he of himself, I myself, “that is” and “in my flesh”, IN THE OLD NATURE dwells no good thing; “flesh” being his old nature which is what he is talking about in relation to the law. EVERYBODY is “of flesh”, even Jesus was, and the flesh in relation to the law, which is the whole context of Romans 7, will produce no good thing. So his “flesh” in relation to the LAW is a dead thing or situation, relationship (needing divorce from). Because he is “of” the flesh in this ongoing explanation about how sin through law kills us, he is reciting the experience as of one who is “in” the flesh, NOT of one who is “in” the Spirit, as he actually is. Paul’s story is about one who is “alive” to law, not “dead” to it.

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THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN POSITION AND REALITY IS FAITH [1577b]

In an article on Romans 7 by “evidence unseen” where they pull apart arguments by Douglas Moo who rightly favours that Paul was NOT giving the Christian experience, they argue about something being a Christian’s “position” as against it being his “condition”.

The only thing lacking in bringing a Christian’s CONDITION up to his POSITION, is FAITH.

While we mostly concern ourselves with our SPIRITUAL condition, which is the case here, they fail to see that the reason Paul’s CONDITION is what it is, is because the person he is exhibiting, manifesting or representing in R7 has not used FAITH to jump from the old to the new covenant, from law to grace. And this is deliberate because he is EXPLAINING the terms and consequences of the OLD, not of the NEW.

Jesus said that if we do not doubt in our heart, but BELIEVE that WHAT WE SAY will come to pass, it will be done FOR US. That FAITH will take the position “up to” the condition, the condition will become that of the (God given) position.

To see the article which is wrong in many points. http://www.evidenceunseen.com/bible-difficulties/romans-2/rom-714-25-is-paul-describing-his-own-personal-struggle-with-sin/

[By faith our unsaved reality becomes our saved reality because our unsaved position has become our saved position]

YOU BECOME WHAT YOU BELIEVE [1603d]

You become what you believe, so if you never believe beyond what you are, you will never be other than that which you presently believe that you are.

FAITH changes things and it can change YOU. ALL of the things which Jesus achieved in His lifetime were achieved by FAITH. Damage to the existing creation was repaired BY FAITH. In one case a man had a withered hand and it was RESTORED to its original DNA created to be form, by FAITH.

Of Course, JESUS had “perfect” faith, but even so, He instructs us to DO likewise, as we can see in His words: “Truly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not DOUBT in his HEART, but believes that what he says will come to pass, it will be done for him. THEREFORE, I TELL YOU, WHATEVER you ask in prayer, BELIEVE that you HAVE RECEIVED it, and it will be yours.”

Romans 8:11 says, “But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead DWELLS IN YOU, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give LIFE to YOUR MORTAL BODIES through His Spirit who indwells you.

FAITH changes your eternal destiny, by believing in Jesus, it is changed from death to life, from temporary life to permanent life. By God’s thoughts and words the world was created, vision became [faith] matter, the temporary world (part 1) was established. Now by His words vision and Spirit clearly made available to us, by faith we can enter the permanent world (part 2), ETERNAL LIFE, simply by believing in Him.