UNITARIANISM [745]

I have thought to post on the subject of Unitarianism because the “xxxxxx xxxxxx” have attached a link to a post on my site because it calls Jehovah’s witnesses a cult or sect. They have explicitly created a blog to publish links to all sites that are critical of Jehovahs witnesses, and I guess also any who oppose themselves or any other form of Unitarianism, which is rather extraordinary but reveals the mentality involved.

I came across this xxxxxx group some time ago, who claim to be xxxxxx(which also turns out is Unitarian), but who seem fairly unaware of the views of other xxxxxxand even of their founding originators, xxxxxx and xxxxxx. In amongst their doctrinal claims appeared to be that all manner of laws had to be kept (they quoted more than 300 of them), and including practically every word that Jesus uttered became a “commandment of Christ” which had to be kept to the letter in order for you to be saved.

This would appear to be just the tip of the iceberg of those groups who have lost the plot well and truly, or perhaps never did “have the plot”. It is essential to the purity of Christianity that people come into the knowledge of their freedom from sin and death which Jesus achieved for them, because it is only this freedom [of spirit, in the Spirit] that empowers them to go forward confidently in the knowledge that all condemnation has been lifted, so as not to impede the apprehension of the kingdom of God, nor to impede any progress in this direction of understanding that God’s love releases them even as it captivates them.

Before any further details emerge, it appears there are many who have taken up the cause of AntiChrist by retaining systems of law, similar to the Judaistic (Moses) system, thereby retaining and enabling the power of the flesh to continue in its corruptive ways. They introduce Christ to their religions, but only as a powerless Christ, who seems to better fit the description of another Adam than as the only begotten son of the living God, and who was to become the promised and given Holy Spirit at Pentecost.

The key to all this is their misunderstanding of the cross, the atonement, and it is usually here that all deviant groups fail. This pervasive and insidious continuation of Judaism is that which was always present from the beginning, and Paul in Galatians points this out quite clearly as the Spirit in opposition to the law. xxxxxx and Jehovahs witnesses seem obsessed with denying the “trinity” and perhaps that is a clue to why they seem to want to deny salvation unless it comes through their particular systems of religion. They deny the Holy Spirit and they deny that Jesus literally bore all our sin for all time and on that cross released us from it. Obviously if they can keep Jesus from having “Godlike” status then they can reduce his power and authority so that salvation then is more easily controlled by them and their doctrines, by which their adherents are enslaved to legalisms, which yes, have caused breakdowns, suicide and murder.

Here are some site links to Unitarianism. Firstly two to JW’s

http://www.freeminds.org/history/mystery_years.htm

http://www.freeminds.org/index.html

Unitarianism    https://carm.org/what-unitarianism

List of cults and non-Christian groups   https://carm.org/list-cults-and-non-christian-groups

xxxxxx   https://carm.org/xxxxxx

[It appears from their site that these xxxxxx have ties with JW’s via some of their members years ago being involved with “Judge Rutherford”, of  the JW’s.]

[xxxxxx notably xxxxxx, have stated that animal sacrifices will be reintroduced and that they would personally be executing non-xxxxxx during the “Millenium”]. There may be other “Unitarians”, I suppose Judaism is one, but there are others titled “Unitarian” churches. In some of these Christian derived groups (not Judaism)  the pressure to “be righteous” is so great that the breakdown of family relationships, depression and suicide is always lurking. I have personal knowledge of such things, and there is much on the web concerning them.][Roberts dissents from Unitarianism].

Unitarianism is basically the belief that God is one, IE no trinity and no divine Jesus. And  no Holy Spirit.

GOD LOVES YOU UNCONDITIONALLY

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11 thoughts on “UNITARIANISM [745]

  1. First of all you start of by mentioning our site being produced by the Belgian Christadelphians forgetting that there are several Christadelphian groups and not seeing the site is created by us, the Belgian Bible Students.

    You also write “They have explicitly created a blog to publish links to all sites that are critical of Jehovahs witnesses, and I guess also any who oppose themselves or any other form of Unitarianism, which is rather extraordinary but reveals the mentality involved.” forgetting that your site and many others do nothing else than criticising unitarians. We then better ask what that says about your mentality.

    The mentality involved in us taking the opportunity to show the lies of other groups and people, like you, can be seen as a normal reaction to defend ourselves.
    also from wha you write in this article it seems clear you do not know us nor the Christadelphian movement very well. Your accusation of the Belgian Christadelphians and probably you mean us too, not seemingly fairly unaware of the views of other Christadelphians, has no grounds, because they (the Liberal Christadelphians, the Dawn Christadelphians, the Carelinks Christadelphians, the Free Christadelphians, the Old Path Christadelphians and Berean Christadelphians) are all aware of the writings of Thomas and Roberts as we (the Belgian Bible students) are too. You also seem to forget that Christadelphians like Bible Students do not follow any other particular human being than Christ Jesus. It is not that because John Thomas gave the name for a group of lovers of God, that all his writings would be taken as sacrilege and as being put above the Bible. All Christadelphians keep to the biblical doctrine and not to human doctrines, like you and your church do.

    You also paint Jesus as a powerless person in our belief, but the Jesus we recognise as the son of God and the sent one of God we give full honour respecting that he did not do his own will but managed to always do the will of God (which for you would be normal when he would be God, but for us more special him not being God and as such having the choice for doing his own will or the will of God).

    You seem to overlook that the majority of those refusing theTrinity keep to the word of the bible which clearly say
    “30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favour with God. 31 You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob for ever; his kingdom will never end.” 34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?” 35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called {Or So the child to be born will be called holy, } the Son of God.” (Lu 1:30-35 NIV)

    “21 ¶ When all the people were being baptised, Jesus was baptised too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened 22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.” 23 Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli,” (Lu 3:21-23 NIV)

    “41 He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, 42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”” (Lu 22:41-42 NIV)

    “And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”” (Mt 3:17 NIV)

    “While he was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”” (Mt 17:5 NIV)

    “But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognise him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”” (Mt 17:12 NIV)

    “Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of the boy, and he was healed from that moment.” (Mt 17:18 NIV)

    “16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, {Or Messiah; also in verse 20 } the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.” (Mt 16:16-17 NIV)

    “A voice came from the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him.”” (Lu 9:35 NIV)

    “I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God.”” (Joh 1:34 NIV)

    “17 ¶ Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.” 18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. 19 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, to your amazement he will show him even greater things than these. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no-one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honour the Son just as they honour the Father. He who does not honour the Son does not honour the Father, who sent him. 24 “I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life. 25 I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man. 28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned. 30 By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. 31 ¶ “If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid. 32 There is another who testifies in my favour, and I know that his testimony about me is valid. 33 “You have sent to John and he has testified to the truth. 34 Not that I accept human testimony; but I mention it that you may be saved. 35 John was a lamp that burned and gave light, and you chose for a time to enjoy his light. 36 “I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the very work that the Father has given me to finish, and which I am doing, testifies that the Father has sent me. 37 And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form,” (Joh 5:17-37 NIV)

    “Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.” (Joh 8:42 NIV)

    “what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?” (Joh 10:36 NIV)

    “I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him.” (Joh 13:16 NIV)

    “”Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; {Or You trust in God } trust also in me.” (Joh 14:1 NIV)

    “Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through me.” (Joh 14:6 NIV)

    “Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?” (Joh 14:9 NIV)

    “27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid. 28 ¶ “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. 29 I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe. 30 I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold on me, 31 but the world must learn that I love the Father and that I do exactly what my Father has commanded me. “Come now; let us leave.” (Joh 14:27-31 NIV)

    “After Jesus said this, he looked towards heaven and prayed: “Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.” (Joh 17:1 NIV)

    “Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.” (Joh 17:3 NIV)

    “Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”” (Joh 20:17 NIV)

    “29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” 30 Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. 31 But these are written that you may {Some manuscripts may continue to } believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.” (Joh 20:29-31 NIV)

    “yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.” (1Co 8:6 NIV)

    “Now I want you to realise that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.” (1Co 11:3 NIV)

    “When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.” (1Co 15:28 NIV)

    “Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,” (1Pe 1:3 NIV)

    “And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?”—which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” {Psalm 22:1 } (Mr 15:34 NIV)

    “If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God.” (1Jo 4:15 NIV)

    “5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time.” (1Ti 2:5-6 NIV)

    “Jesus said to them, “You will indeed drink from my cup, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared by my Father.”” (Mt 20:23 NIV)

    “5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature {Or in the form of } God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature {Or the form } of a servant, being made in human likeness.” (Php 2:5-7 NIV)

    It are not the words of human leaders we should take at heart, but the Words of Scripture, and that is something you do not seem to understand about Christadelphianism.

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  2. It is funny that you give such links of sites which have as aim to pull people away form unitarian grousp and who tell a lot of nonsense about different non-trinitarian groups; Though you accuse us of having a false attitude or what would you otherwise mean with your saying: “They have explicitly created a blog to publish links to all sites that are critical of Jehovahs witnesses, and I guess also any who oppose themselves or any other form of
    Unitarianism, which is rather extraordinary but reveals the mentality involved.”

    Can you explain that “which is rather extraordinary but reveals the mentality involved”, Which mentality involved? And what is the mentality of you and the groups you mention which tell a lot of untruths (perhaps because of not enough knowledge?) or are it just lies (when they know the reality and truth)?

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  3. Where would have John Thomas, stated that “animal sacrifices will be reintroduced” and that” they would personally be executing non-Christadelphians during the “Millenium””?

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  6. Thanks for including the pingback by the responses to our article in which is we tried to make clear you are confusing the origin of the “Unmasking site” with our community opposite the Belgian Bible Students, as well as the connection (or no-connection) with Rutherford and the Jehovah’s Witnesses with the founder of our ecclesia (Marcus Ampe) and some of the other Christadelphian communities in Belgium.

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