JESUS TOOK HIS OWN SIN BUT NOT OURS [372]

Jesus took the sin of the world because it was the sin of the world that “offended” his love, it “offended” the very nature of his Father God. As far as the duality of God and Jesus was concerned, it was the total sin of all mankind that was involved in the suffering Jesus underwent on the cross, suffering being the effect that was caused to love simply because it WAS love. LOVE SUFFERS.  [Love can’t really be offended  🙂  ]

As far as individual sin goes though, Jesus on the cross was dealing with his own human nature. It is the “fallen” nature of man that is capable of inventing evil, unless you want to say that it is the devil that puts every single destructive thought into people’s heads? More than that, because we say that we are dealing with a fallen creation, then it would be EVERY thought of ours that strictly speaking, would then have to be “of the devil”. [no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except by the HS]

Jesus suffered in the conflict between his inner human nature and his outer Godly one. By outer I mean his obvious persona, his identity as son of God, the one He always lived in (his spirit) while simultaneously rejecting his human nature one.  Until the cross. In this sense he was only dealing with his own “inner demons” (flesh) and the whole problem of death within man, both spiritual and physical. Simultaneously, he lost connection with his Father. He was on his own. (Like Paul in Romans 7). [wretched, forsaken].

While Jesus had close consciousness of his Father’s Spirit during his life, when it came time to enter his “passion” and achieve that which he came for, to “destroy the works of the devil”, he was only dealing with his own deficient body (like ours) and the evil which it contained as a potential source of evil because of the “mind of the flesh” within his human nature. (Why have you conceived this thing in your heart?).

Jesus’ Spirit nature was tempted by his flesh nature during his lifetime, but this temptation was said to “depart from him for a season”, in line with his “discipline” of being the holy one that he was. In this role he had God consciousness of all sin, because he had God consciousness with which to compare it. On his own on the cross though, he had his hands full with his own flesh consciousness which he took upon himself head-on. He was to internally destroy his own “works of the devil” as in “for he knew what was in man”. He was to destroy death.

Jesus’ confrontation of the inner problem resulted in the overcoming, the destruction or transformation, of the inner moral and physical damage caused by “the fall”. To say otherwise is to entertain the notion of Jesus being a completely perfect* entity, which means he would not be “made like us” and he could not then represent us who are capable of conceiving evil in our hearts. [though which capable of, he never did].+

By doing this, Jesus destroyed death for us, on our behalf, and the reality of this was to emerge in future by the faith of those who believed in him. Jesus destroyed his own death, and faith in this, in Him, would destroy the power of death in them also. But it would be by promise for them, by faith in Jesus the promise became alive.

Hence the works of the devil were destroyed in Him in reality, so he could be immortalised, having perfected his body to free it from corruption, so He could be resurrected. Believers enter into Him by faith in Him, they join with him, and he enters into them, having now become “a life giving Spirit.” By faith in Him and the promise, believers are raised with him and behave# as though they were already resurrected [and “spiritually” they are]. This is “the first resurrection”. [Although strictly speaking it is Jesus himself who is the first resurrection. Believers then participate in Him who IS the resurrection (and the life)].

This is why it says that “He has abolished death”, and “The last enemy to be destroyed is death”, because he destroyed it in himself, but only abolished it for others, they would indeed die physically, but would never die in reality, their faith having brought them to life, having resurrected them. They would “never see death”. Believers then are a new creation “in” Christ, to be futuristically resurrected. [their resurrection status is confirmed].

*[ If both his Spirit and body were perfect, there is neither overcoming nor representation].

#[ not produced behaviour, but that which automatically comes from a new spirit within]

[It is by faith from first to last] [+ He cannot sin, because God’s seed abides in him]

It remains true that Jesus bore our sins in his body on the tree. (This is why he came, that the “works of the devil” might be destroyed). It is God’s love that champions our cause and gives us the victory, having destroyed the power of sin and law to condemn. We are forgiven through his body. [In which he assumed total responsibility for sin]. Our faith believes and makes this, His, truth real for us. The “devil” in man has lost his power to provoke death in you because he is a defeated enemy, as much as he wants you to believe he still has power over you. [the devil lost his place in the high places]

@”God presented him as an atoning sacrifice, through faith in his blood.” Although this is a fixed and permanent thing, it remains that it is the value of it that empowers the believer through God’s forgiveness and his love. Ultimately of course, this statement@ is complete in itself and can not be undone by any explanation.

One died for all, therefore all died. [involved in the “therefore” is God’s purpose and intention behind the action, his motivation].

YOU ARE ALREADY FORGIVEN [371]

This may be a bold, perhaps brash statement, but by the time one works through the intent of scripture, this is the only honest way to view the result, because of all the charlatans out there who insist upon retaining redemptive power for themselves.

The revealed nature of God insists that he is and always has been LOVE. That he does not operate within boundaries such as we like to throw up and operate within. Forgiveness is something that is given, offered, and is out there regardless of whether or not it is taken up, otherwise it is not true forgiveness, from the heart.

God gave his forgiveness to the world when he offered up his son, and it stands whether or not people take him up on it, whether they accept it or not. Of course what they are really doing is accepting or rejecting His son in the role of sacrificial love.

The action of reconciliation by God is “out there”, and cannot be returned. We spurn him or accept him and his great love for us, it is as simple as that. Everything necessary to be done, HAS been done, we cannot add to that because we cannot add to his love, it exceeds all, he IS all.

Even things like baptism and doctrines all become means of manipulation by unscrupulous men who only want to profit from your vulnerability and sensitivity as you grope for salvation. Jesus WAS your forgiveness. Whether you want to get into things like “repentance” “justification” or whatever, the simple fact remains that God LOVES YOU and is not concerned with anything other than returning you to the flock. Any perceived “ordinance” or whatever you want to call it is there for your benefit, to help you understand that you HAVE BEEN SET FREE BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST, but is not an essential. “Baptism is an appeal to God for a clear conscience”. By all means be baptised, but not into anything other than the death and resurrection of Jesus. NOT to some specific group of people who claim exclusivity because of special doctrines or belief systems.

SALVATION SHORT VERSION [370]

Jesus came to teach and example who God was. He lived a perfect life and never “sinned”. On the cross he faced the reality of “real-time” confrontation with the reality of sin.

He overcame sin and succeeded where all men have failed. In doing so, he demonstrated how God operates, in that he removes sin because it is opposing his love nature.

After this process he voluntarily gave up his life, he died, and subsequently was raised to life after three days. It is said he became “a life giving spirit”. Now, he certainly became something, and “is at the right hand of God” But he is said to “intercede” for believers, to actively assist them to follow him.

Following him seems to be the thing, that though we be mortal now, by faith we insist that he is alive, and because he is alive then his death encompassed everything necessary to “atone” for us and our sin. In fact the “atonement” was really God’s action in him, showing us how it is in God. The “atonement” was God taking sin and dealing with it. But this what was we see in Jesus, and we cannot separate he two. In this case, we see it as Jesus, the son of God, acting on his behalf to show us all that he is and does.

Because we see him with faith in God, going through the “process”, and then gaining eternal life, we have the guarantee of success in that he has opened the door for us, having won the war and seized the spoils. He now invites us all in.

Perhaps rather than be seen as having to do what he did, we only have to rely on HIS love to deal with problems, although the processes may have similarities.

So we share his victory in this life in order to fit us for the next. We confidently take our place at his side as “kings and priests” and proclaim by our lives, his victory. “One died for all, therefore all died”. We may be mortal and die [we never die] but what we have through faith, what we make real and true in faith of him, is stored up “in the heavens” for us, and it will become reality at that time.

By faith we are alive in him. By faith we share his victory. By faith we overcome. By faith we receive the Spirit, and by faith we love.

[13-4-2015]

WHAT IS LIFE [369]

Life is best described by the fruit of the Spirit of God. Love, joy, peace, etc. where people are kind and loving and generous and all those good things that we commonly recognise as being desirable for the good kind of life.

But how can that be achieved? It is obvious that most people do not live, work, act or speak in this way. What is wrong?

God is love and God is life. His life goes on behind the scenes as the Spirit of love, who knows all and cares for all, even knowing the number of hairs on our head, and the fall of every sparrow. His Spirit is everywhere and in all and through all.

Yet we are not in touch with it, with Him. The birds and the animals all live according to the natural creation. Perhaps we are only animals, and that is why we fight and squabble. Yet the blackbird sings his song at dawn and dusk, a beautiful song that places him in harmony with nature and his world. He accepts without question, his lot in life.

We were made to question our life, because there is a lot that needs questioning. What is wrong?

Death is what is wrong, it needs to be answered and negated.

The life God has for us is dependent on our acceptance of it. To be at peace with ourselves and with Him. The way He has arranged for this to be so, is by giving His son in the same form as us so we can recognise in Him the characteristics of God. Because He came to teach us and then to die so we can see the vulnerability of His love and then the strength of it by removing death on our behalf.

The new life, the new creation, is one devoid of the fear of death, the fear of futility, the fear of being alone, without purpose or identity. Identity is important because death has stripped us of it. We are inconsequential beings of accidental origin without God. This new life has purpose, structure and love. It is guided not only by the best of ‘principles’, but by the giver of these ‘principles’ who gives his son back to us as the Spirit, to be with us always.

That which is invisible has more reality to it than that which is seen, even though this creation is visible and tangible. Faith in that which is unseen, produces a reality beyond knowledge, but which is experienced by those who walk in it, and made permanent on that day when all things are revealed.

WHAT IS DEATH [368]

We see death as the cessation of the life of flesh and blood. That the fleshly body stops operating, and decay, the breaking down of the structure of cells begins. But death begins long before this.

Biblically, death began the moment that flesh and blood no longer responded appropriately to the conditions set up within the perfect structure and design of all matter, as part of the creation. The creation itself is said to be subject to corruption and decay.

It appears that, even if this was not part of the “design”, it must have been part of the “purpose”, so that man is given his own choice of good or bad, in order for that in itself to be the criteria that eventually decides who is “in” and who is “out”.  Man had to experience”sin”.

The willingness and desire to be rescued from this situation, separates the sheep from the goats. The sheep want it, the goats want something else.

Death is any and all of that which disrupts the creative design. Seen in the context of the garden of Eden, it is the corruption of the internal “circuitry” of the brain, so that it produces less, or other than the required result. Once a single flaw occurs, it gains runaway status, error compounding on error until the ‘subject’ is utterly flawed.

“Sin” is religiously seen as the bogyman in this scenario, “by one man sin entered the world, and death through sin.”  Man is both physically and morally flawed and this brings him to death, since death is a time machine that eventually pronounces “time is up”. If man was just morally flawed then He would not die? but his body, the whole person, is also subject to the results of this “moral” abandonment.

Mankind lives in this corrupted “kingdom”. Death is the ruler who sits on the throne. Enslavement to corruption is man’s lot in this human ‘life’. The outworking of this corruption (called “the works of the devil”) [works of the flesh?] creates tremendous evil in the world. Man’s thinking is corrupted, he has learnt to behave in ways that benefit himself in particular, and only helps others as it is in line with societies expectations.

All of this is DEATH. It is far below God’s expectations of LIFE. The outworking of the two “kingdoms” be they God’s or man’s are totally different. Man in his current form is really only the rough raw material upon which God can work to produce the final intended result. He cannot be “repaired”, he has to voluntarily be “rubbed out” and drawn again in the image of God through the image of Christ. He has to become a NEW CREATION.

[works of the flesh][works of the devil]

THE BASIC CROSS [367]

One man died for all men. This is the “sacrifice” that conveys to all that the terror reign of death is over. Jesus came to take death away. Yet we still see death at work, because we all die.

This then comes down to a matter of trust – Do we, can we, are we prepared to trust this man? Are we prepared to associate this man with God – To accept his authority? Can we accept the “story” that surrounds this man’s life and circumstance?

If we DO believe that he removed death from us, does this in itself restore us to life? Even as we continue to see the power of death all around us?

The answer is Yes – If you remove the threat of death, then you provide an environment where life can enter and flourish. Rather than this becoming a “free for all” which enables opportunity for bad behaviour, the very circumstances of his death make it plain that the removal of your death is conditional on him having removed it for you.

The fact that he actually died, provides the certainty of the death itself having occurred. The nature of what this is claimed to have achieved, is bound up and seen in the circumstance of the association of sin with death. To take away sin is to take away death. To take away death is to take away sin.

When the authority behind this is seen to be love in action, and that this love, by this cross, has effectively removed sin and death from our account, then the impetus to grasp this release from death is huge.

The key is to believe that this is true, that death has been dealt with, removed. And only disbelieving this, disbelieving in the nature of love and its preparedness to have provided this situation for you, on your behalf, as a ‘fait accompli’ based on the reality of his love for you – Will cause you to remain within the grip of death, your death.

So his death effectiveness for you depends on the recognition of your own death-worthiness, and your submission to the provision of his death as being sufficient to counter your own, seeing as how it represents and really is, His love suffering the consequences of your sin.

The question now appears, does this suffering for our death, constitute the removal of our death? God says it does. He says that because He has ultimate authority in all things, then He has the right to declare that the suffering of His love, of his righteousness, and the suffering through the very violation of who he is, provides the balancing out, the equalisation of, our inadequacy and poor performance. Our ‘sin’, Our death.

The death of the Son of God is sufficient ‘payment’, is ‘sacrifice’ for our death. This remains true no matter what. But release from death is our responsibility, it is ‘on our head’ to be so released, by BELIEVING it to be true, to be a reality that we want for ourselves, beyond all else, even the approval of family and friends, or ultimately, even beyond our own lives.

In this sense we swap our life (of death) for his death (of life). That our death becomes his, and his life becomes ours.

He has bought us “with his blood”.

 

THE BLEEDING OBVIOUS [366]

The law is like giving rules to children. Obviously when they grow up, this will change. The change that occurred was through education and enlightenment, adults should operate to something other than laws.

Laws for children have to be comprehensive because they lack the understanding that lies behind those laws. Adults simply need to see what the driving Spirit behind the law is.

Getting to know the law giver on a personal level is to render the laws obsolete, because now you know the law giver and are familiar with His driving force, His Spirit and character.

Any attempt by law keepers to try and continue the law into the realm of the Spirit is ridiculous, it is like trying to convert Christians to Judaism.

And using names like Jehovah etc, for our God, totally disregards the use of the word Father for Him, as was used by Jesus, and Paul even dares to say “daddy”.

I FORGIVE YOUR SINS [365]

Imagine if it was common for people to say this to others. You might wonder where they were coming from, how they dare to insinuate that you had “sinned” or how they dared to imagine that they had the power or authority to forgive sins.

But this may be the position of every believer, that they are indeed authorised to forgive sin, because they have the same authority as Jesus.

This was where I arrived after asking for an infilling of the Spirit. The problem with that is, it often means waking in the middle of the night with many thoughts occupying your mind, and not getting back to sleep again. Also the thoughts die out after a while, and it is hard to remember them in their full meaning and intent.

To say to people that you forgive their sins, puts you on the same level as a catholic priest perhaps. People should be glad that their sins if any, are forgiven, regardless of who is doing the forgiving. This after all, is the gospel message. To say that “I forgive your sins” is really the ultimate theological statement, although I cannot at the moment explain this to you.

Love is a law, it is the law of God, it is who He is and what He is, and what He does. This law works against the law of sin and death, and overpowers it.

The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. So the law empowers sin by entrapping the mind which then imprisons or freezes the heart. The liberated (in principle) mind is in captivity because of law, it wants to be free but finds no way to do this. The sting of death paralyses the whole person. The law is disempowered by forgiveness, by the operation of the true nature of God. This now disempowered law is the law of Moses, which is also the law of sin and death.

So we see that it is law that empowers sin, and it is law that comes against the body of Jesus because of the inherent death processes within Him. This law is overcome by the law of love.

And that’s all I have for you at the moment.

[the catholic priest reference was a bit ‘tongue in cheek’]

 

 

BOOK RECOMMENDATION [327r]

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WHAT DOES IT MEAN THAT JESUS FULFILLED THE LAW [364]

 

When Jesus fulfilled the law, He died. Basically it means that the “law of sin and death” that operates in us all, also operated in Him and brought Him to death, just as it does to us.

The important difference is that He also fulfilled “the righteousness of the law” which is to say that he always operated within righteousness and did not enter the sinful territory of doing things his own way.

So the basic premise of having fulfilled the law means he fulfilled both the aspect of fulfilling its righteousness, (IE He did not “transgress” it) and also that He fulfilled the requirement that one who so transgressed, should die.

The law simply was an expression of what happens to you if you are outside of God and His life. It is not a matter of punishing someone so they might learn from their error so they can then return to society (dead society) and carry on. The person under some law requirement might be killed, so they cannot come back from that. It might provide a lesson to others, but the whole business is absolutely futile because no-one can be saved by operating under laws which simply explain how the death process in us works.

It still means we are dead. The law of sin and death (Moses) could not give life.

Jesus was subject to the “law of sin and death”, not because He sinned, but because He inhabited a “death vehicle”, which was His body, made like ours. The argument that He was sinless and a spotless lamb of sacrifice is meaningless because if he were not “made in every way like us” then there was no point to it. Either He was like us or He wasn’t. He either “contained” elements within Himself which were the same as the undesirable (death producing) elements as we contain, or He didn’t. Which is it?

Jesus came to “destroy the works of the devil”. We are those works, or at least contain and produce those works from within, from our corrupted nature which was born of the lie. The works of death originated from the people of death. Yes, we may be “children of the devil” because as Jesus said, “….and the works of your father, you do”.

This work of the lie was what corrupted our human nature. All men die. Jesus was no exception, even though He did not deserve to die, because “..this man has done nothing wrong”. Yes He was in the wrong place at the wrong time. But He was in the right place at the right time for God’s purposes.

In His body the law of death was satisfied, He had died. But in the process, He also destroyed the very mechanism within man that generated sin, (Why have you conceived this in your heart?). This is what He came to do, to fulfill the law of unrighteousness and also the “law” of righteousness within Himself, so He could become new, the first fruit of the new creation. He became a new creation. His body was regenerated and immortalised,  He was resurrected from the dead.

So Jesus not only fulfilled the law of Moses in all respects, He also fulfilled the “law” of creation, the original intention of life having been realised for the first time. Satisfying the law on our behalf, through forgiving all mankind and then on the basis of them accepting His death as being a sin covering for them, which it was, because His forgiveness and His love cannot be separated, they are constant and forever – This means that the “Law” has become null and void for believers, because the “new law” of love constantly and always cleanses them of sin. Because He has now provided a permanent “sacrifice for sin”, He has instituted a new covenant which supercedes the old.  [ but if you want to remain under the old, that is your choice ].

Jesus has fulfilled the old covenant, the old law system, and replaced it with a new one. Because He fulfilled it, in doing so He abolished it. In fulfilling the law, He established  a new one, “the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus”.

As Paul said, “The law was temporary”. We have to ask those who continue to insist on the law just what part of temporary they don’t understand. It was fair enough of Jesus to say that the teaching of the law was a good thing, because as it is written, “through the law comes the knowledge of sin”. (No man will be justified by law). As Paul also said, “the law was not meant for good men but for bad”. Law was meant to reveal the nature of sin, for that reason it is good, and it is good in itself. But under the law “death reigned”. Paul called the law “the ministry of death”. Those in Christ have died to the law and live by the Spirit.  Acts 13-39 Through Jesus you are now justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Jesus fulfilled the law on our behalf , we were dead under it and had to be rescued by His mercy from its judgement.  To continue in law is to continue in death.  LET’S NOW MOVE ON IN HIS SPIRIT OF LIFE AND OF LOVE.

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