GOD’S LOVE AND HIS WRATH ARE THE SAME THING [865e]

When two opposing forces come together, there is conflict, and a resolution must result. We see this conflict within man, and see his anger as an outworking or display of this conflict.

When righteousness and unrighteousness come together, there is conflict. Now God and his Spirit of love are righteousness, and man and his spirit of sin are unrighteousness. These two, like Spirit and flesh, are incompatible and conflict results.

The nature of this conflict is that there is an agitation of the elements involved, and the stronger of them will overcome the weaker, and God who is love and righteousness will always emerge victorious from such a contest, as he did in Jesus on the cross, where, although death resulted to the physical, confirmed spiritual life then re-emerged with a new physical, that of the immortal body.

So when God’s love is in confrontation with man’s sin which is IN man, the internal agitation caused by the fear of the judgement inherent in this action which seeks a remedy to the difference between God’s righteousness and our unrighteousness, results in anger and what we perceive to be God’s “wrath”. With this wrath “on” us and in us, we are extremely uncomfortable, to say the least.

But it is God’s love we are experiencing, it is just that it is in opposition to what we are or have become because we identify with our sin nature, not with His love nature. He is flame to our paper. His nature HAS to create drama and trauma in us, for us, because our human nature is only temporary and must undergo change to be atone with HIS nature, the divine nature.

We experience the judgement on sin WITHIN us, and this results in the inner guilt that we feel whenever anything to do with God or righteousness presents itself to our awareness or consciousness. And because we were made in HIS image, we condemn ourselves because, having the knowledge of good and bad, we are capable of judging ourselves as guilty also. We also create inner wrath because we know our position is untenable and unsurviveable, unsustainable.

God then reveals to us that His very own nature of love through his very only begotten son, has confronted the sin nature of man that lies in his natural body and which lay in Jesus body also, and brought about the ultimate conflict and wrath towards the nature of “sin in the flesh”. Jesus’ personal “Armageddon”, which is also OUR “Armageddon”, and brought about, in the nature of his love, the “final resolution”.

The nature of love has been assaulted and tortured to the death  within the same body of sin that hosted the perfect spirit nature that Jesus was, and the Father suffered this conflict also as he watched his son die a terrible death on his cross. The perfect Spirit of Jesus was in conflict with the, our, inner nature of sinful flesh. His loving righteousness was brought to bear on the corrupted sin nature of “sin in the flesh” and the inner stress of this was painful and of immense anguish, as He was confronted with the reality of what the absence of the Spirit of God means in the darkness of its terrible presence. He was ‘in anguish in its flame’. The fires of hell brought Him to the ‘pit’ of hell, the grave, the tomb, from which he would emerge victorious, having overcome his mortal body, having changed it through loving conflict, to an immortal body.

This victory is ours in Him who has wrought this victory and who now presents it to us as a completed gift of life, of righteousness. The battle is over, “It is finished” for him and for us. Our only “battle” now is to install by faith this victory over death and all its components. And this “battle” lies in accepting this truth, that he has come in the flesh and provided all that we need to live life in and from Him, he who is love, and the “installation” lies only in this one word, BELIEVE.

GOD’S LOVE AND HIS WRATH ARE THE SAME THING [865d]

When two opposing forces come together, there is conflict, and a resolution must result. We see this conflict within man, and see his anger as an outworking or display of this conflict.

When righteousness and unrighteousness come together, there is conflict. Now God and his Spirit of love are righteousness, and man and his spirit of sin are unrighteousness. These two, like Spirit and flesh, are incompatible and conflict results.

The nature of this conflict is that there is an agitation of the elements involved, and the stronger of them will overcome the weaker, and God who is love and righteousness will always emerge victorious from such a contest, as he did in Jesus on the cross, where, although death resulted to the physical, confirmed spiritual life then re-emerged with a new physical, that of the immortal body.

So when God’s love is in confrontation with man’s sin which is IN man, the internal agitation caused by the fear of the judgement inherent in this action which seeks a remedy to the difference between God’s righteousness and our unrighteousness, results in anger and what we perceive to be God’s “wrath”. With this wrath “on” us and in us, we are extremely uncomfortable, to say the least.

But it is God’s love we are experiencing, it is just that it is in opposition to what we are or have become because we identify with our sin nature, not with His love nature. He is flame to our paper. His nature HAS to create drama and trauma in us, for us, because our human nature is only temporary and must undergo change to be atone with HIS nature, the divine nature.

We experience the judgement on sin WITHIN us, and this results in the inner guilt that we feel whenever anything to do with God or righteousness presents itself to our awareness or consciousness. And because we were made in HIS image, we condemn ourselves because, having the knowledge of good and bad, we are capable of judging ourselves as guilty also. We also create inner wrath because we know our position is untenable and unsurviveable, unsustainable.

God then reveals to us that His very own nature of love through his very only begotten son, has confronted the sin nature of man that lies in his natural body and which lay in Jesus body also, and brought about the ultimate conflict and wrath towards the nature of “sin in the flesh”. Jesus’ personal “Armageddon”, which is also OUR “Armageddon”, and brought about, in the nature of his love, the “final resolution”.

The nature of love has been assaulted and tortured to the death  within the same body of sin that hosted the perfect spirit nature that Jesus was, and the Father suffered this conflict also as he watched his son die a terrible death on his cross. The perfect Spirit of Jesus was in conflict with the, our, inner nature of sinful flesh. His loving righteousness was brought to bear on the corrupted sin nature of “sin in the flesh” and the inner stress of this was painful and of immense anguish, as He was confronted with the reality of what the absence of the Spirit of God means in the darkness of its terrible presence. He was ‘in anguish in its flame’. The fires of hell brought Him to the ‘pit’ of hell, the grave, the tomb, from which he would emerge victorious, having overcome his mortal body, having changed it through loving conflict, to an immortal body.

This victory is ours in Him who has wrought this victory and who now presents it to us as a completed gift of life, of righteousness. The battle is over, “It is finished” for him and for us. Our only “battle” now is to install by faith this victory over death and all its components. And this “battle” lies in accepting this truth, that he has come in the flesh and provided all that we need to live life in and from Him, he who is love, and the “installation” lies only in this one word, BELIEVE.

THE FRUIT OF THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL IS WRATH [1307a]

We are by nature angry children. “By nature we were children of wrath” Eph.2-3. We need to let Jesus to have taken, and thereby to take, that anger from us, producing PEACE.

ANGER. “He who is angry with his brother is liable to hell fire*”. And the anger IS the fire of hell which impacts in our lives now, and more completely when our lives are over, if we do not let Him have taken this anger of the “fires of hell”.

By nature we live within the scenarios of anger, we create them as a result of the confusion born from the conflict between good and bad, righteousness and unrighteousness, which lives within us. These scenarios are the result and the product of unresolved anger because of the unresolved conflict between what is right and what is wrong, righteousness and unrighteousness.

These scenarios are born of legalisms associated with attempts at self justification, and that is why they fail, being born of SELF which cannot resolve itself by itself of itself. The only true “legalism” is that which is the very nature of God, of righteousness, which is His Spirit, which is the truth. Only the Spirit of Truth [the truth of righteousness] can install in us it’s, His, righteousness [Jesus]. All other legalistic requirements are born out of this inner conflict inherent in man and are now rendered either redundant or false, be they of the ‘Mosaic law’ or of any other supposed laws or principles of ‘righteousness’ as so-called by men.

“Law brings wrath”. When righteousness and unrighteousness meet, there is “wrath”, ANGER, burning inside us. This fire is quenched by the water of Jesus’ Spirit, this water satisfies the thirst for righteousness and answers the demand for unrighteousness to be removed. It is the fire in us that is quenched, not HIS fire. HIS fire burnt out from within Himself, in His body, those components which were of the natural body, of the natural creation, and the wrath and anger which was resolved in His own body of flesh, being like our own body of flesh, was declared to be enough to declare and transmit to us the acceptable resolution of the conflict forever, being that the result was people who willingly allowed the same conflict to be resolved in their own bodies also.

Righteousness will deal with our unrighteousness as well, but not in the same manner as Jesus, NOT LEGALISTICALLY BY US, but legalistically by Him, then as the gift of His life, His Spirit to ours, and His righteousness to us, taken “on faith”, by faith. Trusting in this resolution brought about by the conflict between good and evil by the knowledge of it, in Him, which was brought on in us prematurely, but necessarily, for the fulfilment of His creative purpose in us. Conflict is the enemy, peace is the solution, the peace He BOUGHT ‘with His own blood’, by which He also bought US out of conflict and into His peace. He bought us from the wrath we had incurred on ourselves, both by nature, and by the outworking of this nature, and having been set free of this, our nature, we become instead “participants in the divine nature“.

*[A little ‘hyperbolic’ but near enough for the purpose][We are in conflict because we live unrighteously, of ourselves, instead of righteously, of Him]

THE FRUIT OF THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL IS WRATH [1307]

We are by nature angry children. “By nature we were children of wrath” Eph.2-3. We need to let Jesus to have taken, and thereby to take, that anger from us, producing PEACE.

ANGER. “He who is angry with his brother is liable to hell fire*”. And the anger IS the fire of hell which impacts in our lives now, and more completely when our lives are over, if we do not let Him have taken this anger of the “fires of hell”.

By nature we live within the scenarios of anger, we create them as a result of the confusion born from the conflict between good and bad, righteousness and unrighteousness, which lives within us. These scenarios are the result and the product of unresolved anger because of the unresolved conflict between what is right and what is wrong, righteousness and unrighteousness.

These scenarios are born of legalisms associated with attempts at self justification, and that is why they fail, being born of SELF which cannot resolve itself by itself of itself. The only true “legalism” is that which is the very nature of God, of righteousness, which is His Spirit, which is the truth. Only the Spirit of Truth [the truth of righteousness] can install in us it’s, His, righteousness [Jesus]. All other legalistic requirements are born out of this inner conflict inherent in man and are now rendered either redundant or false, be they of the ‘Mosaic law’ or of any other supposed laws or principles of ‘righteousness’ as so-called by men.

“Law brings wrath”. When righteousness and unrighteousness meet, there is “wrath”, ANGER, burning inside us. This fire is quenched by the water of Jesus’ Spirit, this water satisfies the thirst for righteousness and answers the demand for unrighteousness to be removed. It is the fire in us that is quenched, not HIS fire. HIS fire burnt out from within Himself, in His body, those components which were of the natural body, of the natural creation, and the wrath and anger which was resolved in His own body of flesh, being like our own body of flesh, was declared to be enough to declare and transmit to us the acceptable resolution of the conflict forever, being that the result was people who willingly allowed the same conflict to be resolved in their own bodies also.

Righteousness will deal with our unrighteousness as well, but not in the same manner as Jesus, NOT LEGALISTICALLY BY US, but legalistically by Him, then as the gift of His life, His Spirit to ours, and His righteousness to us, taken “on faith”, by faith. Trusting in this resolution brought about by the conflict between good and evil by the knowledge of it, in Him, which was brought on in us prematurely, but necessarily, for the fulfilment of His creative purpose in us. Conflict is the enemy, peace is the solution, the peace He BOUGHT ‘with His own blood’, by which He also bought US out of conflict and into His peace. He bought us from the wrath we had incurred on ourselves, both by nature, and by the outworking of this nature, and having been set free of this, our nature, we become instead “participants in the divine nature“.

*[A little ‘hyperbolic’ but near enough for the purpose][We are in conflict because we live unrighteously, of ourselves, instead of righteously, of Him]

GOD’S LOVE AND HIS WRATH ARE THE SAME THING [865c]

When two opposing forces come together, there is conflict, and a resolution must result. We see this conflict within man, and see his anger as an outworking or display of this conflict.

When righteousness and unrighteousness come together, there is conflict. Now God and his Spirit of love are righteousness, and man and his spirit of sin are unrighteousness. These two, like Spirit and flesh, are incompatible and conflict results.

The nature of this conflict is that there is an agitation of the elements involved, and the stronger of them will overcome the weaker, and God who is love and righteousness will always emerge victorious from such a contest, as he did in Jesus on the cross, where, although death resulted to the physical, confirmed spiritual life then re-emerged with a new physical, that of the immortal body.

So when God’s love is in confrontation with man’s sin which is IN man, the internal agitation caused by the fear of the judgement inherent in this action which seeks a remedy to the difference between God’s righteousness and our unrighteousness, results in anger and what we perceive to be God’s “wrath”. With this wrath “on” us and in us, we are extremely uncomfortable, to say the least.

But it is God’s love we are experiencing, it is just that it is in opposition to what we are or have become because we identify with our sin nature, not with His love nature. He is flame to our paper. His nature HAS to create drama and trauma in us, for us, because our human nature is only temporary and must undergo change to be atone with HIS nature, the divine nature.

We experience the judgement on sin WITHIN us, and this results in the inner guilt that we feel whenever anything to do with God or righteousness presents itself to our awareness or consciousness. And because we were made in HIS image, we condemn ourselves because, having the knowledge of good and bad, we are capable of judging ourselves as guilty also. We also create inner wrath because we know our position is untenable and unsurviveable, unsustainable.

God then reveals to us that His very own nature of love through his very only begotten son, has confronted the sin nature of man that lies in his natural body and which lay in Jesus body also, and brought about the ultimate conflict and wrath towards the nature of “sin in the flesh”. Jesus’ personal “Armageddon”, which is also OUR “Armageddon”, and brought about, in the nature of his love, the “final resolution”.

The nature of love has been assaulted and tortured to the death  within the same body of sin that hosted the perfect spirit nature that Jesus was, and the Father suffered this conflict also as he watched his son die a terrible death on his cross. The perfect Spirit of Jesus was in conflict with the, our, inner nature of sinful flesh. His loving righteousness was brought to bear on the corrupted sin nature of “sin in the flesh” and the inner stress of this was painful and of immense anguish, as He was confronted with the reality of what the absence of the Spirit of God means in the darkness of its terrible presence. He was ‘in anguish in its flame’. The fires of hell brought Him to the ‘pit’ of hell, the grave, the tomb, from which he would emerge victorious, having overcome his mortal body, having changed it through loving conflict, to an immortal body.

This victory is ours in Him who has wrought this victory and who now presents it to us as a completed gift of life, of righteousness. The battle is over, “It is finished” for him and for us. Our only “battle” now is to install by faith this victory over death and all its components. And this “battle” lies in accepting this truth, that he has come in the flesh and provided all that we need to live life in and from Him, he who is love, and the “installation” lies only in this one word, BELIEVE.

HOW MUCH LONGER MUST I PUT UP WITH YOU [1272a]

A bit hard to believe, and possibly softened to some degree by context, this is what Jesus said to some people around Him. He also said things like “You stiff necked people, how often you do resist the Holy Spirit”. [ERROR, CAN’T FIND THIS LAST QUOTE]

A lot of this ‘angst’ was delivered to the religious leaders of the time, and what has changed since then? Not much, apparently, as some church leaders continue to “push their own barrows” without regard for TRUTH. They are hell bent on protecting their own little kingdoms from what they see as attacks against their own private positions, be that of power and influence in their congregations, or of a doctrinal nature.

One lot were so incensed that they went through all their libraries and threw away any book that had the slightest reference to Pentecostalism or any charismatic influence.  (And people who ‘spoke in tongues’ were interrogated and made to feel uncomfortable about remaining in the church). By so doing, they made their position clear that they were in no way open to any movement of the Spirit, and that they would rather see ‘their’ church sink than see any form of revival take place around them which might impinge on their own authority.

So well might Jesus say, “How much longer must I put up with you?”

HOW MUCH LONGER MUST I PUT UP WITH YOU [1272]

A bit hard to believe, and possibly softened to some degree by context, this is what Jesus said to some people around Him. He also said things like “You stiff necked people, how often you do resist the Holy Spirit”. [ERROR, CAN’T ACTUALLY FIND THIS LATTER “QUOTE”.]

A lot of this ‘angst’ was delivered to the religious leaders of the time, and what has changed since then? Not much, apparently, as some church leaders continue to “push their own barrows” without regard for TRUTH. They are hell bent on protecting their own little kingdoms from what they see as attacks against their own private positions, be that of power and influence in their congregations, or of a doctrinal nature.

One lot were so incensed that they went through all their libraries and threw away any book that had the slightest reference to Pentecostalism or any charismatic influence. (And people who ‘spoke in tongues’ were interrogated and made to feel uncomfortable about remaining in the church). By so doing, they made their position clear that they were in no way open to any movement of the Spirit, and that they would rather see ‘their’ church sink than see any form of revival take place around them which might impinge on their own authority.

So well might Jesus say, “How much longer must I put up with you?”

WRATH IS DUE TO (INTERNAL) CONFLICT [992a]

The wrath that is spoken of is not a feature or property of God, but of the conflict that arises between God and not-God, between, if you like, God and the god we have (sub)created ourselves to be. It is man who is the cause and the originator and generator of the state of wrath, not God.

This conflict is typified in “Armageddon” which will be the final summation of the God/man difference.

But there is already an “Armageddon” going on inside us, by the conflict between Spirit and flesh CONFLICTING our conscience and causing guilt and anxiety amidst the stress of everyday life.

“Wretched man that I am” said Paul, and indeed there is much wretchedness to go around. Paul’s conscience had been particularly sensitised by the law, having brought into clarity his opposition to that which is right and good and true, the Spirit. Yet He had not at that time “received the Spirit” or His conflict would have been resolved.

And perhaps even though man can be wretched under law, it’s because it has become for him the law of sin and death, but then inflicting even more “wrath” on Him as his true position is made even clearer by the Spirit, which/who asks for his capitulation in the light of the solution Jesus provided. Jesus underwent His own “Armageddon” for us, to ensure that we didn’t have to (anymore) but also of course ultimately, at the end.

[Law brings wrath][“Armageddon” is hell] [At the end of our life? and the end of time][The end of wrath is peace].

WRATH IS DUE TO (INTERNAL) CONFLICT [992]

The wrath that is spoken of is not a feature or property of God, but of the conflict that arises between God and not-God, between, if you like, God and the god we have (sub)created ourselves to be. It is man who is the cause and the originator and generator of the state of wrath, not God.

This conflict is typified in “Armageddon” which will be the final summation of the God/man difference.

But there is already an “Armageddon” going on inside us, by the conflict between Spirit and flesh CONFLICTING our conscience and causing guilt and anxiety amidst the stress of everyday life.

“Wretched man that I am” said Paul, and indeed there is much wretchedness to go around. Paul’s conscience had been particularly sensitised by the law, having brought into clarity his opposition to that which is right and good and true, the Spirit. Yet He had not at that time “received the Spirit” or His conflict would have been resolved.

And perhaps even though man can be wretched under law, it’s because it has become for him the law of sin and death, but then inflicting even more “wrath” on Him as his true position is made even clearer by the Spirit, which/who asks for his capitulation in the light of the solution Jesus provided. Jesus underwent His own “Armageddon” for us, to ensure that we didn’t have to (anymore) but also of course ultimately, at the end.

[Law brings wrath][“Armageddon” is hell] [At the end of our life? and the end of time][The end of wrath is peace].

GOD’S LOVE AND HIS WRATH ARE THE SAME THING [865b]

When two opposing forces come together, there is conflict, and a resolution must result. We see this conflict within man, and see his anger as an outworking or display of this conflict.

When righteousness and unrighteousness come together, there is conflict. Now God and his Spirit of love are righteousness, and man and his spirit of sin are unrighteousness. These two, like Spirit and flesh, are incompatible and conflict results.

The nature of this conflict is that there is an agitation of the elements involved, and the stronger of them will overcome the weaker, and God who is love and righteousness will always emerge victorious from such a contest, as he did in Jesus on the cross, where, although death resulted to the physical, confirmed spiritual life then re-emerged with a new physical, that of the immortal body.

So when God’s love is in confrontation with man’s sin which is IN man, the internal agitation caused by the fear of the judgement inherent in this action which seeks a remedy to the difference between God’s righteousness and our unrighteousness, results in anger and what we perceive to be God’s “wrath”. With this wrath “on” us and in us, we are extremely uncomfortable, to say the least.

But it is God’s love we are experiencing, it is just that it is in opposition to what we are or have become because we identify with our sin nature, not with His love nature. He is flame to our paper. His nature HAS to create drama and trauma in us, for us, because our human nature is only temporary and must undergo change to be atone with HIS nature, the divine nature.

We experience the judgement on sin WITHIN us, and this results in the inner guilt that we feel whenever anything to do with God or righteousness presents itself to our awareness or consciousness. And because we were made in HIS image, we condemn ourselves because, having the knowledge of good and bad, we are capable of judging ourselves as guilty also. We also create inner wrath because we know our position is untenable and unsurviveable, unsustainable.

God then reveals to us that His very own nature of love through his very only begotten son, has confronted the sin nature of man that lies in his natural body and which lay in Jesus body also, and brought about the ultimate conflict and wrath towards the nature of “sin in the flesh”. Jesus’ personal “Armageddon”, which is also OUR “Armageddon”, and brought about, in the nature of his love, the “final resolution”.

The nature of love has been assaulted and tortured to the death  within the same body of sin that hosted the perfect spirit nature that Jesus was, and the Father suffered this conflict also as he watched his son die a terrible death on his cross. The perfect Spirit of Jesus was in conflict with the, our, inner nature of sinful flesh. His loving righteousness was brought to bear on the corrupted sin nature of “sin in the flesh” and the inner stress of this was painful and of immense anguish, as He was confronted with the reality of what the absence of the Spirit of God means in the darkness of its terrible presence. He was ‘in anguish in its flame’. The fires of hell brought Him to the ‘pit’ of hell, the grave, the tomb, from which he would emerge victorious, having overcome his mortal body, having changed it through loving conflict, to an immortal body.

This victory is ours in Him who has wrought this victory and who now presents it to us as a completed gift of life, of righteousness. The battle is over, “It is finished” for him and for us. Our only “battle” now is to install by faith this victory over death and all its components. And this “battle” lies in accepting this truth, that he has come in the flesh and provided all that we need to live life in and from Him, he who is love, and the “installation” lies only in this one word, BELIEVE.