CROSS POWER [5e]

The power of the cross is said to be destroyed by robbing it of its simplicity. People do this by explaining it in some complex way which alters its design and intention. This is because they are not in touch with the Spirit, and are coming up with explanations from their “flesh”. There are many such sects and cults, and they appear to be ignorant of the deceptions they employ to deceive people and to keep them from the liberating and lifegiving action of the cross.

Yet I am going to join their ranks for the purpose of explanation of the complete subject of the cross.

What then is the power of the cross, why does it attract and deserve man’s attention in the way that it does.

It is because man identifies with it so perfectly. It is to the one open to truth, his own life of sin on display, up there for all the world to see, pinned like a declaration of guilt, to a cross of wood. This hidden life, this outer falseness that hides the inner turmoil, is suddenly in front of his eyes, and his heart registers the injustice of the good man who died in his place, and burdened down with the guilt and pain and suffering that he himself fully deserved. He is fully mirrored by the image before him in his innermost perception. He recognises his own part in pinning this innocent one to this tree. The words of scripture speak in this way, “You have killed the prince of peace, and desired a murderer released unto you”. That murder of innocence that Adam performed in the Garden of Eden, when he released the thought that, when enacted, killed him and the human race with him also..

And here was that innocence hung on the cross, dead, after the murderer Barabbas was released instead of Jesus. He recognises his murder of his own innocence, and the blood of Christ spilt for him.

The sacrifice of his life for ours. Our inevitable death now relieved of its inevitability! One died for all, therefore all died. He himself bore our sins in his body on the cross. He became sin for us.

And that is the impact on man, and the power of the cross to draw all men to him, where they receive relief, pardon, forgiveness for their sinful actions they produced over the course of their lives.

So what happens if we explain the cross in some other way, if we deny his death on our account, if we deny his taking up into his own body our sin, if we deny his agony was him actually grappling with the justice of taking the responsibility, the pain, away from us and for us. If we deny that God the Creator himself was dealing with and removing the blame from us.

What happens is that the love which was the motivation for God sending his son to the cross, becomes detached and remote from the cross and from us. There is presented instead, some convoluted explanation that offers conditional salvation that usually is distinctive to the errant group involved. It may represent some more intellectually satisfying explanation, but in doing so will remove the completeness which reveals God’s utter love and commitment towards us.

It is faith, belief, trust in this and in him that changes our lives forever.

Now here I go introducing complication. Much is placed on “the blood” as that which saves us. But blood is nothing in itself, even if it is the blood of Christ. It carries meaning and great weight because of its symbolism of death, and because it is attached to so much of the Jewish religion and tradition. What saves us, is God’s love in acting to absorb sin, to pay the cost of its damage in terms of human suffering, God himself suffers it through his son.

The damage of sin, its non-reality and non-viability in God’s world, is confirmed by God’s action in removing it. And it is the conveyance to us, in undeniable and obvious terms of that love, that saves us. So we are saved in the primary sense that the inevitability of our death has ceased to be inevitable, and we are saved in the reality sense when we accept his action as true, and his motivation as love, and therefore his very nature as being love. And when we accept his action and believe he did indeed perform it, and that Christ rose from the dead, and we are prepared to say so; then we are saved.

But no matter what I say, it will not have the same saving impact as those words which are presented by scripture itself, to our hearts, which then are open to the Spirit of truth to impact us. But God who IS love, has acted within his creative purpose, to bring all men to himself, that they might be conformed to his very nature, by allowing the spirit of his son to live in their hearts. That his will of loving forgiveness towards all, might be enacted on the earth by his servants, his sons and daughters.

It is hard for us as natural people to even imagine how God’s will of righteousness could be enacted through people such as we. But when the notion of unrighteousness is unveiled from our eyes, and replaced with the notion of righteousness because of Christ, it all becomes not only clear, but also “do-able”. And why should we think it strange that it is possible to do what is right. Why should we consider that doing what is wrong, or doing what is mediocre, should in anyway be acceptable or impossible to depart from?

The power of the cross exists to change men’s behaviour by changing their thinking by changing their heart, which is the seat of true, relevant reasoning. The Spirit of truth witnesses TO the truth. What is truth? Pilate said. The answer given by the word is that “The Spirit is the truth”. We have been designed to operate and function as good people, as the true children of this creation, without the twisting and shifting of serpentile thinking. The first Adam failed. The “second Adam” succeeded. He has empowered us to be patterned according to himself, according to the nature of the Father of light. article

Later edit. Jesus said on the cross, “they know not what they do” Paul said in R7 “I know not what I do”

CHRISTADELPHIANS AND ROBERT ROBERTS [1334b]

This will be an appeal to Christadelphians and others of similar persuasion, to rethink the heart of Christianity which is what the atonement is.

The issue revolves around what righteousness by faith actually means in its practical outworking. The reality of what ‘they’ teach is that you end up having to be obedient in order to produce the required righteousness, but is this not then the same as being ‘obedient to law’?*

The difference of opinion can be seen in this statement by Roberts. “The idea that Christ has borne our punishment and paid our debts, and that His righteousness is placed to our credit, and that all we have to do is to believe it, is demoralising”.

What is missed here is that it was Christ who was perfectly obedient, so that, by His obedience, the impossibility of us having to be perfectly obedient also, is negated. It is no good simply holding up the cross as being our forgiveness to a given situation which then must be ongoingly supported by our own righteousness in our own strength. IE that once forgiven we are then under the commitment of having to maintain a continuous  stream of righteousness simply because the example has been set for us to ‘follow’, even if we claim to be supported by our prayer to God for assistance in  this regard. [which prayer will not be heard because it disregards the victory of Christ].

So the idea of “righteousness by faith” is being differently interpreted and applied. Scripture advises that it is NOT the “simply believe” in the terms of which Roberts speaks that is the case, because James says that the faith that is the true one will be accompanied by good works. But these good works come from a good heart that has been cleansed by faith in the appropriate manner to the situation.

Abraham was the precedent for faith, and was quoted in the apparent exact opposite to that which Roberts presents, IE that our faith “IS credited to us as righteousness”, so the problem then becomes, faith in what?

Simplicity says that Jesus was the sacrifice for sin which liberates us then from its debt of death, IE that He died FOR us, so that we don’t have to die. This is true, being that if we place our faith in Him having removed the obligation to death, then we can consider ourselves free from that obligation, meaning that we are no longer under the inevitability of death having to be our end.

But this release from the obligation to die, then automatically places us under the obligation to LIVE. Unless no value is placed on the fact of our liberation, that it was intended to so liberate us and free us from the domination of sin and death from our lives.

Much is made of the fact that Jesus also benefitted from His own death and resurrection, but this is smokescreen material to avoid the fact that His death was meant to provide us with righteousness by removing from us the burden of unrighteousness, because one who dies is freed from sin. If we recognise the death as it truly was/is, then we will also recognise the life as it truly was/is.

The point being that Jesus provided the death for us that all men had to have, and that their conscience screamed out for to satisfy the sense of justice within us. God always wanted us to trust Him, to return to Him, but we could not do so as long as our debt to sin remained. So He provided a way which meant that those who wanted release from death, could find it in Jesus, but find it in a permanent way that was irrevocable unchangeable and irrefutable, except that some still find a way to refute it.

Because it was done for us for the very purpose of a permanent release from the power of sin, it is the very forgiveness of God Himself that brought it into place, that we might be placed permanently in the state of grace that He is and always has been, and has towards us.

“One died for all, therefore ALL DIED”. This is God’s edict, His proclamation, that all men have been freed from death by HIS death, SO THEY CAN LEAVE DEATH BEHIND THEM. By declaring all men dead, nothing of their past can any more affect them, and they are dismissed from any further claim under any law or laws. There is now only the “law of the Spirit of life” in ongoing activity to be entered into.

“He has abolished death”. All of the original creation is now said to be WIPED OUT so that a new creation can take effect. The old covenant has gone, the new has come.

The new creation is that of being “in Christ” and His resurrection, not our own resurrection, which comes later on physically, even though we are now ‘resurrected’ with Him spiritually, even to the point of being already raised with Him into heaven.

Jesus being as another Adam, but being the first of the new creation, is central to God’s plan and purpose in that what Jesus did and achieved, He did and achieved for ALL. Because we are “IN HIM” we also participate in His death, NOT BY TRYING TO BE DEAD (to sin flesh and death) but by ACCEPTING His death as being our own.

We get the final product of what He achieved. We get credited to us His death, WITHOUT HAVING TO ACHIEVE IT OURSELVES which we could not then or EVER do ourselves, at any time. So we are ‘dead’ yet alive, to be “those as returned from death to life”.

WE CANNOT MORTIFY THE FLESH even though we are enjoined to do so. The mortification of which it speaks is that of JOINING WITH Christ’s ACHIEVED MORTIFICATION.

And this is where the faith comes in. That it was Jesus who put to death within Himself those elements of nature which were of humankind, of flesh. We could not do it, He did it, and we are to place our faith in that He did it for us so that the matter of sin and death could be concluded. “It is finished’. Sin and death have been declared dead and only life now matters.

He put to death within Himself everything that was not of life, and all that was of death. This was an action that occurred within Him, within His physiology, it was painful and it took time, but eventually and finally, all those bits of His human body had been healed, converted, changed or destroyed to enable only righteousness to be left in Him, enabling then His immortality to occur.

We could never do that, even with the help of God and the Holy Spirit we could never have done that, NOR CAN WE STILL. But if we by faith accept what He has done and JOIN WITH HIM AS PART OF HIS BODY then sin and death are null and void in Him and in us.

BECAUSE he put every sin nature part of His body to death FOR US, we can simply draw on THE FACT THAT THIS IS ALREADY SO. We do not need to do what He has already done, and if we attempt to, GOD IS EXTREMELY DISPLEASED. Another way of saying that is that we will meet the wrath of the law. (“Law brings wrath”).

FAITH means we accept that He has done it for us, because we could not. This forces us to accept His dominion over us as adopted sons. Anything which tries to arise from the old sinful nature is now met with the understanding that it is already dead in Him, it has no power over us because it is forgiven in this manner of having put death to death FOR US.

And this is the ongoing power of faith in Him, that He has done it, has indeed borne the burden of it, of our sin, so we could be forever free from the condemnation of it. The power has been taken out of our hands, we only get to choose to believe Him or not. By believing Him we are empowered to reject sin and death and to embrace righteousness and life.

[Faith in His death frees us from our own][The penalty for sin has been removed. The penalty for not having life, remains.][He has abolished death. He has abolished the law.][He who believes has CROSSED OVER from death TO life]*[Especially as how they don’t believe in the gift of the Spirit as a free gift, which is what the promise referred to][Strange how the free gift of life is a result of the free gift of absolution and freedom from death][One who has freedom from death may then be captivated by life].

[Life (the Spirit of) as a free gift in counterpoise to the absence of death is denied by several groups, all who disagree with trinity and the general thrust of the commonly accepted gospel. They are, because of their unitarian and legalistic (many insist on keeping commandments and laws) stance, predominately locked into the old covenant rather than the new [and therefore ‘locked out’ of the new]. The denial of what most Christians accept as far as “the comforter” and the ‘indwelling’ of the Holy Spirit at a personal level goes, completes the conventional viewpoint that they cannot, on this basis, be considered as “Christian”]. [Roberts’ writing reveals that to receive “God’s free forgiveness” you have to first take part in His righteousness (page 15 “The blood of Christ”) this means you have to first satisfy their definition and the occasion of, when you are considered “righteous enough” even to qualify for baptism, let alone outrightly recognise that “God’s free forgiveness” is that which was instituted by His death, by effectively removing ours.][I could continue on about Roberts’ racism and murderous intent that Christadelphians would, at the ‘coming of the kingdom’, dispose of all those who effectively, were not Christadelphians.] [As the promise of salvation relates to the reception of the gifted Spirit, it is then the nature of this that becomes central to their argument, that is why they deny “trinity”, because they can’t have a returned Spirit of Jesus. This then also relates to their concept of what is “the spirit of Christ” and how you receive THAT.]. The end result of it all is that the true intention of the salvation process becomes NULLIFIED by their doctrine. The simplicity of it lies in the fact, to be apprehended by faith, that “He himself bore our sins in His body on the tree”. The reality being that He “paid” our sin debt, that He LITERALLY bore ‘our’ sin in His body, being a “sacrifice for sin through faith in His blood”. 

LIFE IS A GIFT, IT CANNOT BE EARNED. [*To be obedient to the Spirit, you have to first HAVE the Spirit, which they themselves deny they have, they are still in the process of ‘earning’ it, (by learning and study) so the only obedience they are left with, is to the law.]

[For those interested in the “mechanics” of it, faith means that what has been previously established in you as a “truth” or reality, is then subsequently denied on the basis of a newly accepted “truth” and reality which contradicts the ‘old’ one. So instead of some action that we might do to try and establish credibility (righteousness), that same credibility and “righteousness” is actually established on the basis of the willingness to believe something different. IE it is the direct change in thinking (thought patterns) that establishes that new way of thinking in righteous ways. When we believe God, we establish God’s thoughts within us also. “Imputed” righteousness is actually a legalism (of the new kind) which takes root in us on the basis of God’s truth, which in this case is forgiveness grace and love (and righteousness).]

All of this is because Jesus ACTUALLY dealt with the penalty of sin within His very own physical body, the one just like our own. Because He did this for all (that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone), (“One died for all, therefore, ALL DIED”), then that which He achieved for us becomes ours also if and as we believe it, Him. The putting to death of sin and that which causes sin within us and therefore without us, was achieved literally by Him, and this same death to sin is “credited” to us as and when we trust in it, in HIM that it is so.

In this way, law sin and death is abolished within us, just as it was within Him. The new “law of the Spirit of life” reigns where once only the law of sin and death reigned. Sin and death, now having been put to death FOR us, now has no actual power over anyone, because these “entities” are now DEAD. (If we believe). “Only believe”.

So the simple depiction of Christ dying for our sins on the cross is true, and He who believes on Him is saved. It’s not so much what you know but who you know that counts.

When people or groups take up the defective line which effectively means that you have to “earn” your salvation, it shows they are still captive to the old covenant of laws, of cause and effect, of action and reaction, of KARMA. They are actually in denial of Christ, it is as if He never was, except they have now produced new “systems” of legalisms which are even worse that the old ones. Many of these groups or people make a great deal out of studying the old testament, moreso than the new. This is because they are really still ‘living’ in the old covenant. There is nothing wrong with studying the scriptures, but to make scriptural knowledge the basis of their salvation (which is what they are doing), simply throws a shadow over the new testament, new covenant, and new Spirit (Jesus) which/who must now be pre-eminent in all things.

To deny that Christ ‘took away our sins’ is to deny the very nature of God, the revealing of which is the whole point of why Jesus came.

John 20-31. “…so that through believing you might have life in His name..”

[Robert Roberts was the co-founder of the Christadelphian religion.]

The chastisement that we deserved was laid upon Him. He took away our death. Believe it, or not.

CHRISTADELPHIANS AND ROBERT ROBERTS [1334a]

This will be an appeal to Christadelphians and others of similar persuasion, to rethink the heart of Christianity which is what the atonement is.

The issue revolves around what righteousness by faith actually means in its practical outworking. The reality of what ‘they’ teach is that you end up having to be obedient in order to produce the required righteousness, but is this not then the same as being ‘obedient to law’?*

The difference of opinion can be seen in this statement by Roberts. “The idea that Christ has borne our punishment and paid our debts, and that His righteousness is placed to our credit, and that all we have to do is to believe it, is demoralising”.

What is missed here is that it was Christ who was perfectly obedient, so that, by His obedience, the impossibility of us having to be perfectly obedient also, is negated. It is no good simply holding up the cross as being our forgiveness to a given situation which then must be ongoingly supported by our own righteousness in our own strength. IE that once forgiven we are then under the commitment of having to maintain a continuous  stream of righteousness simply because the example has been set for us to ‘follow’, even if we claim to be supported by our prayer to God for assistance in  this regard.

So the idea of “righteousness by faith” is being differently interpreted and applied. Scripture advises that it is NOT the “simply believe” in the terms of which he speaks that is the case, because James says that the faith that is the true one will be accompanied by good works. But these good works come from a good heart that has been cleansed by faith in the appropriate manner to the situation.

Abraham was the precedent for faith, and was quoted in the apparent exact opposite to that which Roberts presents, IE that our faith “IS credited to us as righteousness”, so the problem then becomes, faith in what?

Simplicity says that Jesus was the sacrifice for sin which liberates us then from its debt of death, IE that He died FOR us, so that we don’t have to die. This is true, being that if we place our faith in Him having removed the obligation to death, then we can consider ourselves free from that obligation, meaning that we are no longer under the inevitability of death having to be our end.

But this release from the obligation to die, then automatically places us under the obligation to LIVE. Unless no value is placed on the fact of our liberation, that it was intended to so liberate us and free us from the domination of sin and death from our lives.

Much is made of the fact that Jesus also benefitted from His own death and resurrection, but this is smokescreen material to avoid the fact that His death was meant to provide us with righteousness by removing from us the burden of unrighteousness, because one who dies is freed from sin. If we recognise the death as it truly was/is, then we will also recognise the life as it truly was/is.

The point being that Jesus provided the death for us that all men had to have, and that their conscience screamed out for to satisfy the sense of justice within us. God always wanted us to trust Him, to return to Him, but we could not do so as long as our debt to sin remained. So He provided a way which meant that those who wanted release from death, could find it in Jesus, but find it in a permanent way that was irrevocable unchangeable and irrefutable, except that some still find a way to refute it.

Because it was done for us for the very purpose of a permanent release from the power of sin, it is the very forgiveness of God Himself that brought it into place, that we might be placed permanently in the state of grace that He is and always has been, and has towards us.

“One died for all, therefore ALL DIED”. This is God’s edict, His proclamation, that all men have been freed from death by HIS death, SO THEY CAN LEAVE DEATH BEHIND THEM. By declaring all men dead, nothing of their past can any more affect them, and they are dismissed from any further claim under any law or laws. There is now only the “law of the Spirit of life” in ongoing activity to be entered into.

“He has abolished death”. All of the original creation is now said to be WIPED OUT so that a new creation can take effect. The old covenant has gone, the new has come.

The new creation is that of being “in Christ” and His resurrection, not our own resurrection, which comes later on physically, even though we are now ‘resurrected’ with Him spiritually, even to the point of being already raised with Him into heaven.

Jesus being as another Adam, but being the first of the new creation, is central to God’s plan and purpose in that what Jesus did and achieved, He did and achieved for ALL. Because we are “IN HIM” we also participate in His death, NOT BY TRYING TO BE DEAD (to sin flesh and death) but by ACCEPTING His death as being our own.

We get the final product of what He achieved. We get credited to us His death, WITHOUT HAVING TO ACHIEVE IT OURSELVES which we could not then or EVER do ourselves, at any time. So we are ‘dead’ yet alive, to be “those as returned from death to life”.

WE CANNOT MORTIFY THE FLESH even though we are enjoined to do so. The mortification of which it speaks is that of JOINING WITH Christ’s ACHIEVED MORTIFICATION.

And this is where the faith comes in. That it was Jesus who put to death within Himself those elements of nature which were of humankind, of flesh. We could not do it, He did it, and we are to place our faith in that He did it for us so that the matter of sin and death could be concluded. “It is finished’. Sin and death have been declared dead and only life now matters.

He put to death within Himself everything that was not of life, and all that was of death. This was an action that occurred within Him, within His physiology, it was painful and it took time, but eventually and finally, all those bits of His human body had been healed, converted, changed or destroyed to enable only righteousness to be left in Him, enabling then His immortality to occur.

We could never do that, even with the help of God and the Holy Spirit we could never have done that, NOR CAN WE STILL. But if we by faith accept what He has done and JOIN WITH HIM AS PART OF HIS BODY then sin and death are null and void in Him and in us.

BECAUSE he put every sin nature part of His body to death FOR US, we can simply draw on THE FACT THAT THIS IS ALREADY SO. We do not need to do what He has already done, and if we attempt to, GOD IS EXTREMELY DISPLEASED. Another way of saying that is that we will meet the wrath of the law. (“Law brings wrath”).

FAITH means we accept that He has done it for us, because we could not. This forces us to accept His dominion over us as adopted sons. Anything which tries to arise from the old sinful nature is now met with the understanding that it is already dead in Him, it has no power over us because it is forgiven in this manner of having put death to death FOR US.

And this is the ongoing power of faith in Him, that He has done it, has indeed borne the burden of it, of our sin, so we could be forever free from the condemnation of it. The power has been taken out of our hands, we only get to choose to believe Him or not. By believing Him we are empowered to reject sin and death and to embrace righteousness and life.

[Faith in His death frees us from our own][The penalty for sin has been removed. The penalty for not having life, remains.][He has abolished death. He has abolished the law.][He who believes has CROSSED OVER from death TO life]*[Especially as how they don’t believe in the gift of the Spirit as a free gift, which is what the promise referred to][Strange how the free gift of life is a result of the free gift of absolution and freedom from death][One who has freedom from death may then be captivated by life].

[Life (the Spirit of) as a free gift in counterpoise to the absence of death is denied by several groups, all who disagree with trinity and the general thrust of the commonly accepted gospel. They are, because of their unitarian and legalistic (many insist on keeping commandments and laws) stance, predominately locked into the old covenant rather than the new [and therefore ‘locked out’ of the new]. The denial of what most Christians accept as far as “the comforter” and the ‘indwelling’ of the Holy Spirit at a personal level goes, completes the conventional viewpoint that they cannot, on this basis, be considered as “Christian”]. [Roberts’ writing reveals that to receive “God’s free forgiveness” you have to first take part in His righteousness (page 15 “The blood of Christ”) this means you have to first satisfy their definition and the occasion of, when you are considered “righteous enough” even to qualify for baptism, let alone outrightly recognise that “God’s free forgiveness” is that which was instituted by His death, by effectively removing ours.][I could continue on about Roberts’ racism and murderous intent that Christadelphians would, at the ‘coming of the kingdom’, dispose of all those who effectively, were not Christadelphians.] [As the promise of salvation relates to the reception of the gifted Spirit, it is then the nature of this that becomes central to their argument, that is why they deny “trinity”, because they can’t have a returned Spirit of Jesus. This then also relates to their concept of what is “the spirit of Christ” and how you receive THAT.]. The end result of it all is that the true intention of the salvation process becomes NULLIFIED by their doctrine. The simplicity of it lies in the fact, to be apprehended by faith, that “He himself bore our sins in His body on the tree”. The reality being that He “paid” our sin debt, that He LITERALLY bore our sin in His body, being a “sacrifice for sin through faith in His blood”. 

CHRISTADELPHIANS AND ROBERT ROBERTS [1334]

This will be an appeal to Christadelphians and others of similar persuasion, to rethink the heart of Christianity which is what the atonement is.

The issue revolves around what righteousness by faith actually means in its practical outworking. The reality of what ‘they’ teach is that you end up having to be obedient in order to produce the required righteousness, but is this not then the same as being ‘obedient to law’?*

The difference of opinion can be seen in this statement by Roberts. “The idea that Christ has borne our punishment and paid our debts, and that His righteousness is placed to our credit, and that all we have to do is to believe it, is demoralising”.

What is missed here is that it was Christ who was perfectly obedient, so that, by His obedience, the impossibility of us having to be perfectly obedient also, is negated. It is no good simply holding up the cross as being our forgiveness to a given situation which then must be ongoingly supported by our own righteousness in our own strength. IE that once forgiven we are then under the commitment of having to maintain a continuous  stream of righteousness simply because the example has been set for us to ‘follow’, even if we claim to be supported by our prayer to God for assistance in  this regard.

So the idea of “righteousness by faith” is being differently interpreted and applied. Scripture advises that it is NOT the “simply believe” in the terms of which he speaks that is the case, because James says that the faith that is the true one will be accompanied by good works. But these good works come from a good heart that has been cleansed by faith in the appropriate manner to the situation.

Abraham was the precedent for faith, and was quoted in the apparent exact opposite to that which Roberts presents, IE that our faith “IS credited to us as righteousness”, so the problem then becomes, faith in what?

Simplicity says that Jesus was the sacrifice for sin which liberates us then from its debt of death, IE that He died FOR us, so that we don’t have to die. This is true, being that if we place our faith in Him having removed the obligation to death, then we can consider ourselves free from that obligation, meaning that we are no longer under the inevitability of death having to be our end.

But this release from the obligation to die, then automatically places us under the obligation to LIVE. Unless no value is placed on the fact of our liberation, that it was intended to so liberate us and free us from the domination of sin and death from our lives.

Much is made of the fact that Jesus also benefitted from His own death and resurrection, but this is smokescreen material to avoid the fact that His death was meant to provide us with righteousness by removing from us the burden of unrighteousness, because one who dies is freed from sin. If we recognise the death as it truly was/is, then we will also recognise the life as it truly was/is.

The point being that Jesus provided the death for us that all men had to have, and that their conscience screamed out for to satisfy the sense of justice within us. God always wanted us to trust Him, to return to Him, but we could not do so as long as our debt to sin remained. So He provided a way which meant that those who wanted release from death, could find it in Jesus, but find it in a permanent way that was irrevocable unchangeable and irrefutable, except that some still find a way to refute it.

Because it was done for us for the very purpose of a permanent release from the power of sin, it is the very forgiveness of God Himself that brought it into place, that we might be placed permanently in the state of grace that He is and always has been, and has towards us.

“One died for all, therefore ALL DIED”. This is God’s edict, His proclamation, that all men have been freed from death by HIS death, SO THEY CAN LEAVE DEATH BEHIND THEM. By declaring all men dead, nothing of their past can any more affect them, and they are dismissed from any further claim under any law or laws. There is now only the “law of the Spirit of life” in ongoing activity to be entered into.

“He has abolished death”. All of the original creation is now said to be WIPED OUT so that a new creation can take effect. The old covenant has gone, the new has come.

The new creation is that of being “in Christ” and His resurrection, not our own resurrection, which comes later on physically, even though we are now ‘resurrected’ with Him spiritually, even to the point of being already raised with Him into heaven.

Jesus being as another Adam, but being the first of the new creation, is central to God’s plan and purpose in that what Jesus did and achieved, He did and achieved for ALL. Because we are “IN HIM” we also participate in His death, NOT BY TRYING TO BE DEAD (to sin flesh and death) but by ACCEPTING His death as being our own.

We get the final product of what He achieved. We get credited to us His death, WITHOUT HAVING TO ACHIEVE IT OURSELVES which we could not then or EVER do ourselves, at any time. So we are ‘dead’ yet alive, to be “those as returned from death to life”.

WE CANNOT MORTIFY THE FLESH even though we are enjoined to do so. The mortification of which it speaks is that of JOINING WITH Christ’s ACHIEVED MORTIFICATION.

And this is where the faith comes in. That it was Jesus who put to death within Himself those elements of nature which were of humankind, of flesh. We could not do it, He did it, and we are to place our faith in that He did it for us so that the matter of sin and death could be concluded. “It is finished’. Sin and death have been declared dead and only life now matters.

He put to death within Himself everything that was not of life, and all that was of death. This was an action that occurred within Him, within His physiology, it was painful and it took time, but eventually and finally, all those bits of His human body had been healed, converted, changed or destroyed to enable only righteousness to be left in Him, enabling then His immortality to occur.

We could never do that, even with the help of God and the Holy Spirit we could never have done that, NOR CAN WE STILL. But if we by faith accept what He has done and JOIN WITH HIM AS PART OF HIS BODY then sin and death are null and void in Him and in us.

BECAUSE he put every sin nature part of His body to death FOR US, we can simply draw on THE FACT THAT THIS IS ALREADY SO. We do not need to do what He has already done, and if we attempt to, GOD IS EXTREMELY DISPLEASED. Another way of saying that is that we will meet the wrath of the law. (“Law brings wrath”).

FAITH means we accept that He has done it for us, because we could not. This forces us to accept His dominion over us as adopted sons. Anything which tries to arise from the old sinful nature is now met with the understanding that it is already dead in Him, it has no power over us because it is forgiven in this manner of having put death to death FOR US.

And this is the ongoing power of faith in Him, that He has done it, has indeed borne the burden of it, of our sin, so we could be forever free from the condemnation of it. The power has been taken out of our hands, we only get to choose to believe Him or not. By believing Him we are empowered to reject sin and death and to embrace righteousness and life.

[Faith in His death frees us from our own][The penalty for sin has been removed. The penalty for not having life, remains.][He has abolished death. He has abolished the law.][He who believes has CROSSED OVER from death TO life]*[Especially as how they don’t believe in the gift of the Spirit as a free gift, which is what the promise referred to][Strange how the free gift of life is a result of the free gift of absolution and freedom from death][One who has freedom from death may then be captivated by life].

[Life (the Spirit of) as a free gift in counterpoise to the absence of death is denied by several groups, all who disagree with trinity and the general thrust of the commonly accepted gospel. They are, because of their unitarian and legalistic (many insist on keeping commandments and laws) stance, predominately locked into the old covenant rather than the new [and therefore ‘locked out’ of the new]. The denial of what most Christians accept as far as “the comforter” and the ‘indwelling’ of the Holy Spirit at a personal level goes, completes the conventional viewpoint that they cannot, on this basis, be considered as “Christian”]. [Roberts’ writing reveals that to receive “God’s free forgiveness” you have to first take part in His righteousness (page 15 “The blood of Christ”) this means you have to first satisfy their definition and the occasion of, when you are considered “righteous enough” even to qualify for baptism, let alone outrightly recognise that “God’s free forgiveness” is that which was instituted by His death, by effectively removing ours.][I could continue on about Roberts’ racism and murderous intent that Christadelphians would, at the ‘coming of the kingdom’, dispose of all those who effectively, were not Christadelphians.]  

IF CHRIST’S BLOOD WAS SPECIAL THEN YOU ARE YET DEAD IN YOUR SINS [1327a]

If the blood of Jesus was anything other than just like OUR blood, then His resurrection is meaningless and salvation is not real. The whole premise of our salvation is based on the fact that what was once flesh and blood is now in heaven, or as someone else put it, “there is now dust in heaven”.

The Saviour who was perfected on earth and immortalised by His righteousness and resurrected by His God and Father, had to be made “in all points as we are” in order for His resurrection to be relevant to our salvation. If our salvation depends on “special blood” then we are reduced to a magical mystical and incomprehensible atonement that is immediately irrelevant to our plight as being of the first creation, of flesh and blood.

If Jesus had an unfair advantage over us, other than the obvious one of being the only begotten Son of the living God, then we may cry foul as regards the sense of salvation and its authenticity, whether you want to claim that it was God in flesh or Son of God in flesh, it is still the same thing. We are not saved by His magic blood no matter what type it may or not have been, no matter whether it was the only blood of its type in existence: We are not saved by His blood, but by FAITH in His blood. And that, in its intended meaning, is that He DIED. The symbol of the death being given by the sign of the blood.

It may be convenient for us to take up the cry of “nothing but the blood”, but when we say this, we are embracing the simplistic message that without doubt He died. And He died for us. His blood saved us because without him dying and rising to life there would be nothing to show for all the time of the existence of man on earth but death and return to dust.

So yes, our spiritual death cost Him His physical life, and also our spiritual penalty beyond the physical, being the anguish and suffering of being separated from the God of righteousness, so that sin and death abound on the earth. So yes, as was purposed to do, we present the gospel as He was presented, as “a sacrifice for sin through faith in His blood”. If He had not died for us we would not be confronted with the misery that sin causes to those in and of the world. We would not be presented with the choice of staying in sin and death, or leaving it and cleaving to Him who is life. “All who look will live”. But do they SEE?

[The cross defined love][Jesus died to sin and death so we could and would too]

Edit. [The title is very legalistic but was meant to make a point in terms of understanding the atonement. – Whether or not you view His blood as being special or “magic” is not the point, you are still saved by virtue of the simple premise of “faith in His blood” as it was designed to do. But because of an urgent need to make it all as plain as possible to annul the power of sects and cults in destroying this very simple principle, it is time we escaped from magic and terms of non-understanding as much as possible.] [On the cross Jesus LITERALLY destroyed death.]

IF CHRIST’S BLOOD WAS SPECIAL THEN YOU ARE YET DEAD IN YOUR SINS [1327]

If the blood of Jesus was anything other than just like OUR blood, then His resurrection is meaningless and salvation is not real. The whole premise of our salvation is based on the fact that what was once flesh and blood is now in heaven, or as someone else put it, “there is now dust in heaven”.

The Saviour who was perfected on earth and immortalised by His righteousness and resurrected by His God and Father, had to be made “in all points as we are” in order for His resurrection to be relevant to our salvation. If our salvation depends on “special blood” then we are reduced to a magical mystical and incomprehensible atonement that is immediately irrelevant to our plight as being of the first creation, of flesh and blood.

If Jesus had an unfair advantage over us, other than the obvious one of being the only begotten Son of the living God, then we may cry foul as regards the sense of salvation and its authenticity, whether you want to claim that it was God in flesh or Son of God in flesh, it is still the same thing. We are not saved by His magic blood no matter what type it may or not have been, no matter whether it was the only blood of its type in existence: We are not saved by His blood, but by FAITH in His blood. And that, in its intended meaning, is that He DIED. The symbol of the death being given by the sign of the blood.

It may be convenient for us to take up the cry of “nothing but the blood”, but when we say this, we are embracing the simplistic message that without doubt He died. And He died for us. His blood saved us because without him dying and rising to life there would be nothing to show for all the time of the existence of man on earth but death and return to dust.

So yes, our spiritual death cost Him His physical life, and also our spiritual penalty beyond the physical, being the anguish and suffering of being separated from the God of righteousness, so that sin and death abound on the earth. So yes, as was purposed to do, we present the gospel as He was presented, as “a sacrifice for sin through faith in His blood”. If He had not died for us we would not be confronted with the misery that sin causes to those in and of the world. We would not be presented with the choice of staying in sin and death, or leaving it and cleaving to Him who is life. “All who look will live”. But do they SEE?

[The cross defined love][Jesus died to sin and death so we could and would too]

Edit. [The title is very legalistic but was meant to make a point in terms of understanding the atonement. – Whether or not you view His blood as being special or “magic” is not the point, you are still saved by virtue of the simple premise of “faith in His blood’ as it was designed to do. But because of an urgent need to make it all as plain as possible to annul the power of sects and cults in destroying this very simple principle, it is time we escaped from magic and terms of non-understanding, as much as possible.][On the cross Jesus LITERALLY destroyed death]

THE INTERNALISATION OF THE SACRIFICE [1302]

The person who accepts the sacrifice becomes at one with Him in it. The sacrifice that is considered to be of worth, is at one with the one offering it. Is at-one-ment with it. (Him).

In this way does empathy join us with Him, that we become at one with Him in all He stands for. We “take it to heart”.

Then he is in us and we in Him.

[A real sacrifice is the one you become at one with][We die with Him on His cross][And the person takes on the value of the sacrifice][Into himself][To whatever degree or value he has placed on it][To whatever degree of sin it is covering][Is allowed to cover]

THE HEART MIND CONTRADICTION [1301]

There appears to be a contradiction running through scripture, and that is, the contradiction of the heart and the mind. It is probably the difference between the spiritual man and the carnal man. (The man without the Spirit).

It appears as the solution to the problem of why various groups contradict the accepted atonement issues. [Also they do not believe in the Spirit or that the Spirit is a “personal” gift to Christians. So how can you be led by a Spirit in whom you do not believe?]

Getting back to the point, I propose that the contradiction is, as Godet mentioned, similar to what he encountered in the 1800’s? but I can quote Him later. This issue seems to come into focus because of the perceived difference between the way the atonement is presented by scripture on the one hand, and the way Paul explains it on the other.

It seems to me that if you are going to offer someone up as sacrifice, or take the animal sacrifices for example, that the conveyed meaning would be that the animal dies so that you don’t have to, so you remain alive, it takes your place, it substitutes for you.

But on the other hand, Paul in explaining the aspects of the atonement, seems to be saying that you have to die with the subject in order to live, and that the object of the sacrifice comes to life. (Jesus). (Different to the animal ones).

This appears to me as contradictory, and although the rational mind may be able to follow Paul’s explanations so as to provide an aid to the understanding of the matter, and though this understanding may be correct, it stands in opposition to that which God intended as to how the gospel should be received. [which is why they do not receive the Spirit].

The problem takes shape in that those who reject the emotional heart desires as they arise from the spectacle of Christ on the cross, bearing their sin, which is to them non understandable and a blow to their ego because it does not allow any elbow room for them to escape the enormous ramifications and claims on their lives; they then take up Paul’s explanations of the atonement and proclaim it, the explanation, as being the ‘gospel of the atonement’.

God has aimed everything at softening the heart, because it is the heart that needs to be returned to Him, so that our desires will be for Him and for righteousness. This is why it is the message about a Father and His only beloved son. By dividing heart response from mind response, he divides the one group from the other. But it is those of the heart who are the desired ones, and those of the mind are rejected.

The ones who take the intellectual approach then turn on those of the heart, who are God’s real children, and accuse them of being inferior and unworthy and unsaved. Of having insufficient biblical knowledge, which to them becomes the saving criteria. They refuse to fellowship with the chosen ones of God who have met His criteria by surrendering their heart to His. They dare to call themselves “the truth” and “The Plain Truth” and other things, when what has happened is really the same thing that happened in Eden, when Adam refused to comply with God’s command because Adam did not have love in His heart, which is what Jesus told the Pharisees. When Adam utilises His mind to rationalise and disobey God. Jesus said that it was [only] the one who loved Him who would do what He said. Adam was the first to example this error.

It is said that when the Israelites were to sacrifice a lamb, that they had to first take it into the household and treat it like a pet, later to kill it and presumably eat it (or maybe  to burn it), sounds a bit hard on the children, but the idea was that there should be some emotional value  attached to the sacrifice, which carries out the idea of the claim made on the heart, the sensitivity issues.

There is so much scripture which when taken at face value, supports the atonement view of a life for a life as a sacrifice might be. “Through faith in His blood”, which is denied by them. They have a bag full of explanations, which, denying the face value or literal connotations, are contrivances of the mind, of the intellect, of the ego. So instead of the ego being destroyed by the overwhelming utter complete ownership of us by Him, they retain it and work on it and produce a lot of stuff which ends up in complete denial of that which God established as being the very means by which the heart could be apprehended and captured, and released from its slavery to sin.

Again I say, it is that they deny the emotional heart atonement so as to be able to follow the Pauline explanation of the atonement, thus making the explanation itself* the relevant means by which the framework of the atonement is viewed, and it is treated in that light, and that the “by faith in His blood” is not only ignored, but ridiculed, along with those who by it have been cleansed in their faith of it.

God wishes to return to Himself His people who listen to Him via their heart, not via their intellect. It may be possible to show that the whole of the bible promotes this idea, and that we stand or fall on this. It also may be possible for the whole man, heart and mind to be renewed, but God has ordained that the heart must come first because it is the seat of our desires and it is of the utmost importance that these desires, when crystallised by the cross, become captive to Him.

The test of the serpent in the garden when Adam failed, remains the same test today, where spiritual love will go down the right path but intellectualism [pride] will fall.

It comes back to what Jesus said to the Pharisees, that “you have not the love of the Father in your hearts”. Otherwise they would love the true brethren, showing themselves also to be true, but they dismiss them and treat them as, to quote the book of Revelation, “outside are the dogs”. Hopefully true understanding will come to them and they will see that all those who have love in their heart for God through Christ are true  believers.  [And all those who don’t, are not].

*[They make the explanation the experience instead of having the heart experience.]

[The conventional acceptance of His sacrifice nevertheless has the effect of us spiritually dying with Him, joining with Him on His cross anyway, in accordance with Paul’s explanation]

WHERE THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS, THERE IS FREEDOM FREEDOM FREEDOM AND STILL MORE FREEDOM. “It is finished”.

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“And understand WITH THEIR HEART, and turn, and I would heal them.”

The cross breaks our relationship with law (marriage analogy Romans 7)

The cross is the straw that breaks the camel’s back.

“I have come to give them an understanding.”

What a high price we pay for the knowledge of good and evil.

The only thing relevant – “you do not have the love of God in your heart”.

THE CROSS IS AN APPEAL TO THE HEART TO RECOGNISE THE NECESSITY TO LIVE FOR LOVE [1217a]

ASPECTS OF THE CROSS.  Salvation is not by some complicated analytical formula, nor by the growth of biblical or scriptural knowledge. There is no one group of people who have the “truth” or the “secret” nor any such thing, nor is it by intellectual posturing or intelligence.

What is to be revealed about salvation is only that which is revealed by the Spirit, the essence and nature of God, for which purpose only that Spirit associated with the death and resurrection of Jesus is acceptable, suitable, or at all TRUE.

There are two opposite kingdoms, the one of righteousness, which means that all things thought and spoken or done, are righteous, and the other one where all things are derived of falsehood, of the lie, resulting in unrighteousness.

We have been exposed to both in various ways, and when we come to a crunch point of comparison between the two, when we are put into some sort of crisis but particularly when the gospel presents the truth of all things including ourselves, with who and what we are or have become, TO ourselves, on the issues of sin death guilt and life; we can either join with the right or remain in the wrong.

The nature of these two “kingdoms” are described in terms of the “works of the flesh” and the “fruit of the Spirit”. Works of the flesh are all the bad things, and the fruit of the Spirit describes the good things. When we examine this fruit that comes from the Spirit, we see its nature being defined by such as love, joy, peace, righteousness. But from whence comes this Spirit?

Definitively we see it “arriving” ‘on earth’ at Pentecost all those years ago. This coincided of course with the position of Jesus being in heaven, indicating that He himself has a lot to do with the nature of this indwelling Spirit which is to take up residence in the human form that we all are. He said “I am with you and will be IN you”. His Spirit results in the very Spirit of Himself being established IN US. This is the mark of a Christian.

So the nature of the Spirit, being that it comes from God, is observed to be that which is of all the things of the fruit of that Spirit, as described above and in the bible. (N.T.). “The kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking” (as in accordance with religious practises) but of all the good things that a GOOD renewed heart would be expected to bring forth as representing God’s kingdom. Nothing to do with “keeping doctrines” at all.

Conversely, the nature of “the flesh” (human nature), being devoid of, without the Spirit, brings to light all those awful things that the ‘undisciplined by the Spirit’ flesh has concocted in its ‘evil heart’ which has been disassociated from God through sin. Once having been made aware of the nature and substance of good and evil, whether by law or whatever, the final blow to the ego of man is to have to have another man make up for your own failure, to take the ‘punishment’ for your own wrongdoings and to have to provide a new way for you to live at HIS cost in pain and suffering. And the final revelation is the one that undoes us all – that it is because of LOVE that He does this, love for the God of love and righteousness and love for US. Because LOVE is what it is all about.

So what is Love? Yes it may have emotional connotations, the bible uses examples of romantic love to aid the understanding, but fundamentally it is far more than this – LOVE is prepared to die if necessary to fulfil its aims, which are to share itself with others and to give its own nature in order to protect and serve everybody and everyone. Your neighbour or friend or relative or anyone at all should be the recipient of love from you if you are in Christ and He in you. God’s love is available to all and He wants all to have His nature of love so that His kingdom of love is all that matters and all that exists.

This is why His love is FREE to all who will have it, there is no cost other than the recognition of the cost to the one who bought us with His own blood. He and His Spirit are available to all who BELIEVE, it is obtained by faith. This love may break your heart at some time and in various ways, but you will know LOVE, and you will know HIM, and you will be in possession of the life which is true and eternal, HIS life will be in you so you can in turn, give it to others.

[Let your gentleness be seen by all] [Jesus took our death]

THE CROSS IS AN APPEAL TO THE HEART TO RECOGNISE THE NECESSITY TO LIVE FOR LOVE [1217]

ASPECTS OF THE CROSS.  Salvation is not by some complicated analytical formula, nor by the growth of biblical or scriptural knowledge. There is no one group of people who have the “truth” or the “secret” nor any such thing, nor is it by intellectual posturing or intelligence.

What is to be revealed about salvation is only that which is revealed by the Spirit, the essence and nature of God, for which purpose only that Spirit associated with the death and resurrection of Jesus is acceptable, suitable, or at all TRUE.

There are two opposite kingdoms, the one of righteousness, which means that all things thought and spoken or done, are righteous, and the other one where all things are derived of falsehood, of the lie, resulting in unrighteousness.

We have been exposed to both in various ways, and when we come to a crunch point of comparison between the two, when we are put into some sort of crisis but particularly when the gospel presents the truth of all things including ourselves, with who and what we are or have become, TO ourselves, on the issues of sin death guilt and life; we can either join with the right or remain in the wrong.

The nature of these two “kingdoms” are described in terms of the “works of the flesh” and the “fruit of the Spirit”. Works of the flesh are all the bad things, and the fruit of the Spirit describes the good things. When we examine this fruit that comes from the Spirit, we see its nature being defined by such as love, joy, peace, righteousness. But from whence comes this Spirit?

Definitively we see it “arriving” ‘on earth’ at Pentecost all those years ago. This coincided of course with the position of Jesus being in heaven, indicating that He himself has a lot to do with the nature of this indwelling Spirit which is to take up residence in the human form that we all are. He said “I am with you and will be IN you”. His Spirit results in the very Spirit of Himself being established IN US. This is the mark of a Christian.

So the nature of the Spirit, being that it comes from God, is observed to be that which is of all the things of the fruit of that Spirit, as described above and in the bible. (N.T.). “The kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking” (as in accordance with religious practises) but of all the good things that a GOOD renewed heart would be expected to bring forth as representing God’s kingdom. Nothing to do with “keeping doctrines” at all.

Conversely, the nature of “the flesh” (human nature), being devoid of, without the Spirit, brings to light all those awful things that the ‘undisciplined by the Spirit’ flesh has concocted in its ‘evil heart’ which has been disassociated from God through sin. Once having been made aware of the nature and substance of good and evil, whether by law or whatever, the final blow to the ego of man is to have to have another man make up for your own failure, to take the ‘punishment’ for your own wrongdoings and to have to provide a new way for you to live at HIS cost in pain and suffering. And the final revelation is the one that undoes us all – that it is because of LOVE that He does this, love for the God of love and righteousness and love for US. Because LOVE is what it is all about.

So what is Love? Yes it may have emotional connotations, the bible uses examples of romantic love to aid the understanding, but fundamentally it is far more than this – LOVE is prepared to die if necessary to fulfil its aims, which are to share itself with others and to give its own nature in order to protect and serve everybody and everyone. Your neighbour or friend or relative or anyone at all should be the recipient of love from you if you are in Christ and He in you. God’s love is available to all and He wants all to have His nature of love so that His kingdom of love is all that matters and all that exists.

This is why His love is FREE to all who will have it, there is no cost other than the recognition of the cost to the one who bought us with His own blood. He and His Spirit are available to all who BELIEVE, it is obtained by faith. This love may break your heart at some time and in various ways, but you will know LOVE, and you will know HIM, and you will be in possession of the life which is true and eternal, HIS life will be in you so you can in turn, give it to others.

[Let your gentleness be seen by all] [Jesus took our death]