JESUS ENTERED INTO THE DARKNESS [165aj]

The difficulty of understanding all aspects of the cross may be lessened by understanding why Jesus said “My God…” in relation to his Father, since that is how most of mankind views God, as some sort of distant upholder of the law who is intent on bringing us to justice for our sins.

The subject of light and darkness is present in scripture as a means of understanding the good happy stuff as distinct from the bad sad stuff. That God is light and we (sin) are darkness. That he dwells in light while we dwell in darkness. [darkness is scary because you can’t see where you’re going].

When Jesus “bore our sin”, he entered into the darkness that is common to mankind, he entered into the state of separation from God who is light. This separation from God is a theme which began in the garden when Adam failed to maintain his relationship with God, who was his Father. Henceforth his relationship would be felt by him [Adam] as one who was an outcast from God’s presence, and as one who was unworthy of God’s love.

He felt this condition because his PERCEPTION of God had been altered by the cloud of sin and guilt that acted as a filter to prevent his own view of himself as being one who was acceptable and lovable. Where once there was only the singularity of God and his love, there now lay the complexity of sin and guilt, which heavily filtered out the light and brought darkness to his “soul”. [this darkness is seen as condemnation and “wrath” ]

Jesus was “made in all points as us”. This means he was not only the perfect son of God, but that he was a “heavenly Spirit” who lived in an earthly body. As such, his identity was always that of consciously being “The Son of God”, and to him, God was his Father. “Do you not know that I must be about my Father’s business” he said when he was twelve years old or so. This identity heavily “polarised” him so that his conscious self always dwelt within this identity, and any temptation that came to him was immediately isolated as being from an “alien” source.

This position/condition remained with him throughout his life until he began to enter into his “passion”, which means until he began to enter into the realm within himself that was identified as man’s “world”, man’s consciousness, man’s deficiencies, and man’s sins and the very mechanism within from which and by which sin is generated. This passion began in the garden, where he began to feel the effects of it so severely that he literally began to die*. “Father if it be thy will let this cup pass from me, but nevertheless, thy will be done”.

This is ultimately portrayed on the cross where literal darkness came over the scene. Jesus cried “My God, my God, why have you forsaken [abandoned] [left] me.” He was no longer feeling the loving presence of his Father, he was feeling the same sense of isolation from Love that we feel, he was caught up in the darkness of “soul” that we feel, his perception was not that of his loving Father but that of an angry God who was confronting him with the sin that by indwelling mankind, continued to express and produce the works of darkness that he now felt within him.

He stayed in this condition, feeling what we call “hell”, subject to all that we perceive to be the “punishment” of hell, feeling the burning wrath of the inner conflict that had now erupted into anguish and agony of soul. Until at last all of the inner death that mankind had “brought to the table” had been extinguished, had been overcome, had been brought to a state of life, where previously there was only death. Sure, he could have bailed at any time, he could have, as Spirit, returned to the Father. But once entered into the battle, it was inconceivable that he would quit the mission for which he was born. He was entitled to retain life, but having uttered the words “It is finished”, having defeated the “enemy” and restored the human condition, he surrendered his life, his Spirit,  to God. To his now restored perception, of God as Father. He died.

God the Father was never any different, had not changed, yet sin had changed man’s idea, view, of God into being someone who was out for revenge, someone who wanted to set things right by punishing us for sin. And we feel that sense of punishment within, we feel the impending doom through guilt and fear of death, yet God has never changed from being the loving Father to us all. He has never wanted us to die in our sins, he has always been available to wash us in his love, to restore us from darkness to light. We simply have been blinded to him in that way, because of the indwelling  darkness of sin.

Jesus was the revelation of the true nature of God. He came to remove the blinkers from our eyes, to take the shroud of death from our hearts, to release us from the misery of self condemnation that was empowered by the law that exists within us because we were made as sons of God. That law that is reinforced by the correct judgement we bring to bear on ourselves, so that, unable to bear it, we hide from it and from him, because the perceived unattainable love is so painful and miserable a condition. Jesus entered into this same condition, and destroyed its validity, destroyed its falseness of accusation against us and God, so that by our recognition of his loving righteousness in restoring us in Jesus, we rightly judge and agree with his action in forgiving us in this way as being the ultimate righteousness of all.

As created sons of God, we condemned ourselves to the point where our perception was that God was of the same nature as our false perception.

Christ didn’t remove the barrier between us and God because there never was one. What he did was to reveal his Father as being our Father, by presenting him in the correct perspective in relation to us and our own faulty perspective. Certainly he destroyed the faulty nature of man and suffered that which was the natural outcome of our “sickness”.

But by showing the outcome of this process as being life itself, he draws us to himself and the heavenly Father. We are drawn to his love which is able to cleanse us as we submit to that which always was, from the perfection of his concern for us to perfect us in the love that he is. By faith our sins are remitted, as they do not exist in his eyes, but only in our eyes. Such sorrow there may be as to hold us back from such submission, but such love must ultimately bring us to his heart and allow that love to consume us and consume our faults, our defects, our sin and darkness. “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life”, no man comes to the Father but by me”.

Jesus exampled the father and also humanity within his own body. In this way he has become the high Priest for us, the intermediary for us. We are perfected in him, once we commit to him. We are not perfect as he is perfect, but we are perfected in that we will live with him regardless of our “performance” as we continue in the process of ultimate perfection, in which we are saved regardless of our ultimate condition, as long as we remain in him. “live a life of love”. “All things are yours”.

Love is the active ingredient that engages the enemy and suffers because of it. The nature of love is something that is continued in as faith builds a new reality which is really an old reality (I give you a new commandment which is really an old commandment) but is the reality of God and his love for us. Love one another, bear each others burdens, and so fulfill the “law” of Christ.

[* The idea of Jesus beginning to die was introduced by a certain theologian, but which should not dispel the accepted concept of it simply being the repugnancy of/for the condition of the sin experience he was about to enter. He also knew that when he was in this state that he would be unable to understand this separation from the Father, giving rise to “why have you forsaken me?”]

https://www.compellingtruth.org/Jesus-died-for-our-sins.html

This link is provided to an article on the atonement, but I have not yet checked out the source, nor many of the other associated articles. I know they have got at least one thing wrong, that being where they say that Paul in Romans 7 was struggling with sin, which is a bad error if they are saying He did this as a Christian, which I think is what they are saying. And while it covers many subjects, it may be the opening of a can of theological errors. For those with the time to investigate further, it may be an interesting exercise in futility, or an expose’ of whoever the originating authority is. THEIR Romans 7 ref.   https://www.compellingtruth.org/assurance-of-salvation.html

Canxiety Cdepression

JESUS ENTERED INTO THE DARKNESS [165ai]

The difficulty of understanding all aspects of the cross may be lessened by understanding why Jesus said “My God…” in relation to his Father, since that is how most of mankind views God, as some sort of distant upholder of the law who is intent on bringing us to justice for our sins.

The subject of light and darkness is present in scripture as a means of understanding the good happy stuff as distinct from the bad sad stuff. That God is light and we (sin) are darkness. That he dwells in light while we dwell in darkness. [darkness is scary because you can’t see where you’re going].

When Jesus “bore our sin”, he entered into the darkness that is common to mankind, he entered into the state of separation from God who is light. This separation from God is a theme which began in the garden when Adam failed to maintain his relationship with God, who was his Father. Henceforth his relationship would be felt by him [Adam] as one who was an outcast from God’s presence, and as one who was unworthy of God’s love.

He felt this condition because his PERCEPTION of God had been altered by the cloud of sin and guilt that acted as a filter to prevent his own view of himself as being one who was acceptable and lovable. Where once there was only the singularity of God and his love, there now lay the complexity of sin and guilt, which heavily filtered out the light and brought darkness to his “soul”. [this darkness is seen as condemnation and “wrath” ]

Jesus was “made in all points as us”. This means he was not only the perfect son of God, but that he was a “heavenly Spirit” who lived in an earthly body. As such, his identity was always that of consciously being “The Son of God”, and to him, God was his Father. “Do you not know that I must be about my Father’s business” he said when he was twelve years old or so. This identity heavily “polarised” him so that his conscious self always dwelt within this identity, and any temptation that came to him was immediately isolated as being from an “alien” source.

This position/condition remained with him throughout his life until he began to enter into his “passion”, which means until he began to enter into the realm within himself that was identified as man’s “world”, man’s consciousness, man’s deficiencies, and man’s sins and the very mechanism within from which and by which sin is generated. This passion began in the garden, where he began to feel the effects of it so severely that he literally began to die*. “Father if it be thy will let this cup pass from me, but nevertheless, thy will be done”.

This is ultimately portrayed on the cross where literal darkness came over the scene. Jesus cried “My God, my God, why have you forsaken [abandoned] [left] me.” He was no longer feeling the loving presence of his Father, he was feeling the same sense of isolation from Love that we feel, he was caught up in the darkness of “soul” that we feel, his perception was not that of his loving Father but that of an angry God who was confronting him with the sin that by indwelling mankind, continued to express and produce the works of darkness that he now felt within him.

He stayed in this condition, feeling what we call “hell”, subject to all that we perceive to be the “punishment” of hell, feeling the burning wrath of the inner conflict that had now erupted into anguish and agony of soul. Until at last all of the inner death that mankind had “brought to the table” had been extinguished, had been overcome, had been brought to a state of life, where previously there was only death. Sure, he could have bailed at any time, he could have, as Spirit, returned to the Father. But once entered into the battle, it was inconceivable that he would quit the mission for which he was born. He was entitled to retain life, but having uttered the words “It is finished”, having defeated the “enemy” and restored the human condition, he surrendered his life, his Spirit,  to God. To his now restored perception, of God as Father. He died.

God the Father was never any different, had not changed, yet sin had changed man’s idea, view, of God into being someone who was out for revenge, someone who wanted to set things right by punishing us for sin. And we feel that sense of punishment within, we feel the impending doom through guilt and fear of death, yet God has never changed from being the loving Father to us all. He has never wanted us to die in our sins, he has always been available to wash us in his love, to restore us from darkness to light. We simply have been blinded to him in that way, because of the indwelling  darkness of sin.

Jesus was the revelation of the true nature of God. He came to remove the blinkers from our eyes, to take the shroud of death from our hearts, to release us from the misery of self condemnation that was empowered by the law that exists within us because we were made as sons of God. That law that is reinforced by the correct judgement we bring to bear on ourselves, so that, unable to bear it, we hide from it and from him, because the perceived unattainable love is so painful and miserable a condition. Jesus entered into this same condition, and destroyed its validity, destroyed its falseness of accusation against us and God, so that by our recognition of his loving righteousness in restoring us in Jesus, we rightly judge and agree with his action in forgiving us in this way as being the ultimate righteousness of all.

As created sons of God, we condemned ourselves to the point where our perception was that God was of the same nature as our false perception.

Christ didn’t remove the barrier between us and God because there never was one. What he did was to reveal his Father as being our Father, by presenting him in the correct perspective in relation to us and our own faulty perspective. Certainly he destroyed the faulty nature of man and suffered that which was the natural outcome of our “sickness”.

But by showing the outcome of this process as being life itself, he draws us to himself and the heavenly Father. We are drawn to his love which is able to cleanse us as we submit to that which always was, from the perfection of his concern for us to perfect us in the love that he is. By faith our sins are remitted, as they do not exist in his eyes, but only in our eyes. Such sorrow there may be as to hold us back from such submission, but such love must ultimately bring us to his heart and allow that love to consume us and consume our faults, our defects, our sin and darkness. “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life”, no man comes to the Father but by me”.

Jesus exampled the father and also humanity within his own body. In this way he has become the high Priest for us, the intermediary for us. We are perfected in him, once we commit to him. We are not perfect as he is perfect, but we are perfected in that we will live with him regardless of our “performance” as we continue in the process of ultimate perfection, in which we are saved regardless of our ultimate condition, as long as we remain in him. “live a life of love”. “All things are yours”.

Love is the active ingredient that engages the enemy and suffers because of it. The nature of love is something that is continued in as faith builds a new reality which is really an old reality (I give you a new commandment which is really an old commandment) but is the reality of God and his love for us. Love one another, bear each others burdens, and so fulfill the “law” of Christ.

[* The idea of Jesus beginning to die was introduced by a certain theologian, but which should not dispel the accepted concept of it simply being the repugnancy of/for the condition of the sin experience he was about to enter. He also knew that when he was in this state that he would be unable to understand this separation from the Father, giving rise to “why have you forsaken me?”]

https://www.compellingtruth.org/Jesus-died-for-our-sins.html

This link is provided to an article on the atonement, but I have not yet checked out the source, nor many of the other associated articles. I know they have got at least one thing wrong, that being where they say that Paul in Romans 7 was struggling with sin, which is a bad error if they are saying He did this as a Christian, which I think is what they are saying. And while it covers many subjects, it may be the opening of a can of theological errors. For those with the time to investigate further, it may be an interesting exercise in futility, or an expose’ of whoever the originating authority is. THEIR Romans 7 ref.   https://www.compellingtruth.org/assurance-of-salvation.html

Canxiety Cdepression

JESUS ENTERED INTO THE DARKNESS [165ah]

The difficulty of understanding all aspects of the cross may be lessened by understanding why Jesus said “My God…” in relation to his Father, since that is how most of mankind views God, as some sort of distant upholder of the law who is intent on bringing us to justice for our sins.

The subject of light and darkness is present in scripture as a means of understanding the good happy stuff as distinct from the bad sad stuff. That God is light and we (sin) are darkness. That he dwells in light while we dwell in darkness. [darkness is scary because you can’t see where you’re going].

When Jesus “bore our sin”, he entered into the darkness that is common to mankind, he entered into the state of separation from God who is light. This separation from God is a theme which began in the garden when Adam failed to maintain his relationship with God, who was his Father. Henceforth his relationship would be felt by him [Adam] as one who was an outcast from God’s presence, and as one who was unworthy of God’s love.

He felt this condition because his PERCEPTION of God had been altered by the cloud of sin and guilt that acted as a filter to prevent his own view of himself as being one who was acceptable and lovable. Where once there was only the singularity of God and his love, there now lay the complexity of sin and guilt, which heavily filtered out the light and brought darkness to his “soul”. [this darkness is seen as condemnation and “wrath” ]

Jesus was “made in all points as us”. This means he was not only the perfect son of God, but that he was a “heavenly Spirit” who lived in an earthly body. As such, his identity was always that of consciously being “The Son of God”, and to him, God was his Father. “Do you not know that I must be about my Father’s business” he said when he was twelve years old or so. This identity heavily “polarised” him so that his conscious self always dwelt within this identity, and any temptation that came to him was immediately isolated as being from an “alien” source.

This position/condition remained with him throughout his life until he began to enter into his “passion”, which means until he began to enter into the realm within himself that was identified as man’s “world”, man’s consciousness, man’s deficiencies, and man’s sins and the very mechanism within from which and by which sin is generated. This passion began in the garden, where he began to feel the effects of it so severely that he literally began to die*. “Father if it be thy will let this cup pass from me, but nevertheless, thy will be done”.

This is ultimately portrayed on the cross where literal darkness came over the scene. Jesus cried “My God, my God, why have you forsaken [abandoned] [left] me.” He was no longer feeling the loving presence of his Father, he was feeling the same sense of isolation from Love that we feel, he was caught up in the darkness of “soul” that we feel, his perception was not that of his loving Father but that of an angry God who was confronting him with the sin that by indwelling mankind, continued to express and produce the works of darkness that he now felt within him.

He stayed in this condition, feeling what we call “hell”, subject to all that we perceive to be the “punishment” of hell, feeling the burning wrath of the inner conflict that had now erupted into anguish and agony of soul. Until at last all of the inner death that mankind had “brought to the table” had been extinguished, had been overcome, had been brought to a state of life, where previously there was only death. Sure, he could have bailed at any time, he could have, as Spirit, returned to the Father. But once entered into the battle, it was inconceivable that he would quit the mission for which he was born. He was entitled to retain life, but having uttered the words “It is finished”, having defeated the “enemy” and restored the human condition, he surrendered his life, his Spirit,  to God. To his now restored perception, of God as Father. He died.

God the Father was never any different, had not changed, yet sin had changed man’s idea, view, of God into being someone who was out for revenge, someone who wanted to set things right by punishing us for sin. And we feel that sense of punishment within, we feel the impending doom through guilt and fear of death, yet God has never changed from being the loving Father to us all. He has never wanted us to die in our sins, he has always been available to wash us in his love, to restore us from darkness to light. We simply have been blinded to him in that way, because of the indwelling  darkness of sin.

Jesus was the revelation of the true nature of God. He came to remove the blinkers from our eyes, to take the shroud of death from our hearts, to release us from the misery of self condemnation that was empowered by the law that exists within us because we were made as sons of God. That law that is reinforced by the correct judgement we bring to bear on ourselves, so that, unable to bear it, we hide from it and from him, because the perceived unattainable love is so painful and miserable a condition. Jesus entered into this same condition, and destroyed its validity, destroyed its falseness of accusation against us and God, so that by our recognition of his loving righteousness in restoring us in Jesus, we rightly judge and agree with his action in forgiving us in this way as being the ultimate righteousness of all.

As created sons of God, we condemned ourselves to the point where our perception was that God was of the same nature as our false perception.

Christ didn’t remove the barrier between us and God because there never was one. What he did was to reveal his Father as being our Father, by presenting him in the correct perspective in relation to us and our own faulty perspective. Certainly he destroyed the faulty nature of man and suffered that which was the natural outcome of our “sickness”.

But by showing the outcome of this process as being life itself, he draws us to himself and the heavenly Father. We are drawn to his love which is able to cleanse us as we submit to that which always was, from the perfection of his concern for us to perfect us in the love that he is. By faith our sins are remitted, as they do not exist in his eyes, but only in our eyes. Such sorrow there may be as to hold us back from such submission, but such love must ultimately bring us to his heart and allow that love to consume us and consume our faults, our defects, our sin and darkness. “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life”, no man comes to the Father but by me”.

Jesus exampled the father and also humanity within his own body. In this way he has become the high Priest for us, the intermediary for us. We are perfected in him, once we commit to him. We are not perfect as he is perfect, but we are perfected in that we will live with him regardless of our “performance” as we continue in the process of ultimate perfection, in which we are saved regardless of our ultimate condition, as long as we remain in him. “live a life of love”. “All things are yours”.

Love is the active ingredient that engages the enemy and suffers because of it. The nature of love is something that is continued in as faith builds a new reality which is really an old reality (I give you a new commandment which is really an old commandment) but is the reality of God and his love for us. Love one another, bear each others burdens, and so fulfill the “law” of Christ.

[* The idea of Jesus beginning to die was introduced by a certain theologian, but which should not dispel the accepted concept of it simply being the repugnancy of/for the condition of the sin experience he was about to enter. He also knew that when he was in this state that he would be unable to understand this separation from the Father, giving rise to “why have you forsaken me?”]

https://www.compellingtruth.org/Jesus-died-for-our-sins.html

This link is provided to an article on the atonement, but I have not yet checked out the source, nor many of the other associated articles. I know they have got at least one thing wrong, that being where they say that Paul in Romans 7 was struggling with sin, which is a bad error if they are saying He did this as a Christian, which I think is what they are saying. And while it covers many subjects, it may be the opening of a can of theological errors. For those with the time to investigate further, it may be an interesting exercise in futility, or an expose’ of whoever the originating authority is. THEIR Romans 7 ref.   https://www.compellingtruth.org/assurance-of-salvation.html

Canxiety Cdepression

JESUS ENTERED INTO THE DARKNESS [165ag]

The difficulty of understanding all aspects of the cross may be lessened by understanding why Jesus said “My God…” in relation to his Father, since that is how most of mankind views God, as some sort of distant upholder of the law who is intent on bringing us to justice for our sins.

The subject of light and darkness is present in scripture as a means of understanding the good happy stuff as distinct from the bad sad stuff. That God is light and we (sin) are darkness. That he dwells in light while we dwell in darkness. [darkness is scary because you can’t see where you’re going].

When Jesus “bore our sin”, he entered into the darkness that is common to mankind, he entered into the state of separation from God who is light. This separation from God is a theme which began in the garden when Adam failed to maintain his relationship with God, who was his Father. Henceforth his relationship would be felt by him [Adam] as one who was an outcast from God’s presence, and as one who was unworthy of God’s love.

He felt this condition because his PERCEPTION of God had been altered by the cloud of sin and guilt that acted as a filter to prevent his own view of himself as being one who was acceptable and lovable. Where once there was only the singularity of God and his love, there now lay the complexity of sin and guilt, which heavily filtered out the light and brought darkness to his “soul”. [this darkness is seen as condemnation and “wrath” ]

Jesus was “made in all points as us”. This means he was not only the perfect son of God, but that he was a “heavenly Spirit” who lived in an earthly body. As such, his identity was always that of consciously being “The Son of God”, and to him, God was his Father. “Do you not know that I must be about my Father’s business” he said when he was twelve years old or so. This identity heavily “polarised” him so that his conscious self always dwelt within this identity, and any temptation that came to him was immediately isolated as being from an “alien” source.

This position/condition remained with him throughout his life until he began to enter into his “passion”, which means until he began to enter into the realm within himself that was identified as man’s “world”, man’s consciousness, man’s deficiencies, and man’s sins and the very mechanism within from which and by which sin is generated. This passion began in the garden, where he began to feel the effects of it so severely that he literally began to die*. “Father if it be thy will let this cup pass from me, but nevertheless, thy will be done”.

This is ultimately portrayed on the cross where literal darkness came over the scene. Jesus cried “My God, my God, why have you forsaken [abandoned] [left] me.” He was no longer feeling the loving presence of his Father, he was feeling the same sense of isolation from Love that we feel, he was caught up in the darkness of “soul” that we feel, his perception was not that of his loving Father but that of an angry God who was confronting him with the sin that by indwelling mankind, continued to express and produce the works of darkness that he now felt within him.

He stayed in this condition, feeling what we call “hell”, subject to all that we perceive to be the “punishment” of hell, feeling the burning wrath of the inner conflict that had now erupted into anguish and agony of soul. Until at last all of the inner death that mankind had “brought to the table” had been extinguished, had been overcome, had been brought to a state of life, where previously there was only death. Sure, he could have bailed at any time, he could have, as Spirit, returned to the Father. But once entered into the battle, it was inconceivable that he would quit the mission for which he was born. He was entitled to retain life, but having uttered the words “It is finished”, having defeated the “enemy” and restored the human condition, he surrendered his life, his Spirit,  to God. To his now restored perception, of God as Father. He died.

God the Father was never any different, had not changed, yet sin had changed man’s idea, view, of God into being someone who was out for revenge, someone who wanted to set things right by punishing us for sin. And we feel that sense of punishment within, we feel the impending doom through guilt and fear of death, yet God has never changed from being the loving Father to us all. He has never wanted us to die in our sins, he has always been available to wash us in his love, to restore us from darkness to light. We simply have been blinded to him in that way, because of the indwelling  darkness of sin.

Jesus was the revelation of the true nature of God. He came to remove the blinkers from our eyes, to take the shroud of death from our hearts, to release us from the misery of self condemnation that was empowered by the law that exists within us because we were made as sons of God. That law that is reinforced by the correct judgement we bring to bear on ourselves, so that, unable to bear it, we hide from it and from him, because the perceived unattainable love is so painful and miserable a condition. Jesus entered into this same condition, and destroyed its validity, destroyed its falseness of accusation against us and God, so that by our recognition of his loving righteousness in restoring us in Jesus, we rightly judge and agree with his action in forgiving us in this way as being the ultimate righteousness of all.

As created sons of God, we condemned ourselves to the point where our perception was that God was of the same nature as our false perception.

Christ didn’t remove the barrier between us and God because there never was one. What he did was to reveal his Father as being our Father, by presenting him in the correct perspective in relation to us and our own faulty perspective. Certainly he destroyed the faulty nature of man and suffered that which was the natural outcome of our “sickness”.

But by showing the outcome of this process as being life itself, he draws us to himself and the heavenly Father. We are drawn to his love which is able to cleanse us as we submit to that which always was, from the perfection of his concern for us to perfect us in the love that he is. By faith our sins are remitted, as they do not exist in his eyes, but only in our eyes. Such sorrow there may be as to hold us back from such submission, but such love must ultimately bring us to his heart and allow that love to consume us and consume our faults, our defects, our sin and darkness. “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life”, no man comes to the Father but by me”.

Jesus exampled the father and also humanity within his own body. In this way he has become the high Priest for us, the intermediary for us. We are perfected in him, once we commit to him. We are not perfect as he is perfect, but we are perfected in that we will live with him regardless of our “performance” as we continue in the process of ultimate perfection, in which we are saved regardless of our ultimate condition, as long as we remain in him. “live a life of love”. “All things are yours”.

Love is the active ingredient that engages the enemy and suffers because of it. The nature of love is something that is continued in as faith builds a new reality which is really an old reality (I give you a new commandment which is really an old commandment) but is the reality of God and his love for us. Love one another, bear each others burdens, and so fulfill the “law” of Christ.

[* The idea of Jesus beginning to die was introduced by a certain theologian, but which should not dispel the accepted concept of it simply being the repugnancy of/for the condition of the sin experience he was about to enter. He also knew that when he was in this state that he would be unable to understand this separation from the Father, giving rise to “why have you forsaken me?”]

https://www.compellingtruth.org/Jesus-died-for-our-sins.html

This link is provided to an article on the atonement, but I have not yet checked out the source, nor many of the other associated articles. I know they have got at least one thing wrong, that being where they say that Paul in Romans 7 was struggling with sin, which is a bad error if they are saying He did this as a Christian, which I think is what they are saying. And while it covers many subjects, it may be the opening of a can of theological errors. For those with the time to investigate further, it may be an interesting exercise in futility, or an expose’ of whoever the originating authority is. THEIR Romans 7 ref.   https://www.compellingtruth.org/assurance-of-salvation.html

Canxiety Cdepression

THE MESSAGE SHOULD NOT BE THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HELL, BUT THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN RESCUED FROM THE NECESSITY TO BE THERE [1277a]

Death and hell are inevitable for those who are in effect, already there, in that ‘natural’ state into which they were born. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the ‘kingdom of God’. The old nature or creation is just a launching pad for the new to take place, so those who want to talk about the creation as opposed to evolution, have missed the point, it is the NEW creation which is needing exposure to the world, not the old.

The inevitability of death under the old creation, has no need of expose’, it is patently obvious that this is so, but what is not so obvious is that man’s destiny has been directed into life that exists forever, eternally, because the nature he is capable of becoming, has far reaching consequences that govern his future existence in the supernatural which is to soon become the ‘new natural’.

Those who deny the ‘supernatural’ will probably also deny the supernatural God of extreme power who brought several people back to life from the dead, one of whom became transformed into the first of the new creation people who will ultimately dominate that new creation when it is finally revealed, although which should presently be visible through those same new creational people as they make their presence felt while still on this earth.

But it is all by FAITH, by a belief  which arises from the desire of the heart for this to be true. “Those who would draw near to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him”. But He has through His Son, sought US out and revealed it all to those who enquire of Him, what the truth really is. Those who are not troubled by the existence of evil will not seek for the Good. Those who are not distressed by this present life and the troubles it contains, will not look for the God who can change those troubles into joy, who has provided the solution to all things.

Those who live in the land of the dead have seen a great light. Matt.4-16. Isaiah 9-2. Eph. 5-8.

[If you, though you are evil, know how to give good things to your children, how much more will the Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?]

THE MESSAGE SHOULD NOT BE THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HELL, BUT THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN RESCUED FROM THE NECESSITY TO BE THERE [1277]

Death and hell are inevitable for those who are in effect, already there, in that ‘natural’ state into which they were born. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the ‘kingdom of God’. The old nature or creation is just a launching pad for the new to take place, so those who want to talk about the creation as opposed to evolution, have missed the point, it is the NEW creation which is needing exposure to the world, not the old.

The inevitability of death under the old creation, has no need of expose’, it is patently obvious that this is so, but what is not so obvious is that man’s destiny has been directed into life that exists forever, eternally, because the nature he is capable of becoming, has far reaching consequences that govern his future existence in the supernatural which is to soon become the ‘new natural’.

Those who deny the ‘supernatural’ will probably also deny the supernatural God of extreme power who brought several people back to life from the dead, one of whom became transformed into the first of the new creation people who will ultimately dominate that new creation when it is finally revealed, although which should presently be visible through those same new creational people as they make their presence felt while still on this earth.

But it is all by FAITH, by a belief  which arises from the desire of the heart for this to be true. “Those who would draw near to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him”. But He has through His Son, sought US out and revealed it all to those who enquire of Him, what the truth really is. Those who are not troubled by the existence of evil will not seek for the Good. Those who are not distressed by this present life and the troubles it contains, will not look for the God who can change those troubles into joy, who has provided the solution to all things.

Those who live in the land of the dead have seen a great light. Matt.4-16. Isaiah 9-2. Eph. 5-8.

[If you, though you are evil, know how to give good things to your children, how much more will the Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?]

THE OLD MAN IS DEAD BUT HE WON’T LIE DOWN [1263a]

Critical teaching of the victory of a Christian over sin, concerns this issue. Many teach around this subject but never seem to pin down how the absoluteness of it all works. The teaching is that “the old man is dead”.

Now our “old man” was not put to death in a way that denies the use of our will in the matter, anymore than that Jesus literally removed our sin from us. And yet it WAS.

The cross was the revelation to us of life and death, it was a warning as to what will happen to us if we do not heed the message and change our ways. It shows the end of this body of flesh and blood, regardless of whether we believe or not.

The cross is meant to polarise us away from fear and into love. Away from the fear of death and into the love of God as evidenced by the sacrifice of His son on our behalf. To drive us from the fear of death into the arms of love.

If we do not heed the message of the cross then our lives will end in the same way, when our physical life ends, so will we, because we have allowed our identity to remain in “this body of death”.

The message of the cross is to show that if we rise above the physical, if we cleave to the spiritual and allow the “creation” within us of a new person based on the Spirit of God through the Spirit of Christ, then there will be produced, either from the old or from the new, a new body which lasts forever.

Death is inevitable, but it does not have to be permanent*.

ON THE CROSS WE WERE ALL PUT TO DEATH. Just like the flood, it is the destiny of all flesh.

THE POWER OF THE OLD MAN IS GONE BECAUSE HE HAS ALREADY BEEN KILLED ON THE CROSS, WHICH IS A DEMONSTRATION OF THE RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT ON SIN, WHICH CHRISTIANS HAVE TO ACCEPT. When they do, they have passed from death to life.

The cross is a sneak look at the end of all flesh. THE OLD MAN IS DEAD BECAUSE THIS IS TO BE HIS END. God calls things to be which have not yet come to pass. The old creation has been judged and found wanting, and has ALREADY been declared to be dead.

WE DIED WITH HIM, not because ‘we put our flesh to death’ but because HE DECLARED US DEAD WITH HIM. This body of sin has been declared dead and we better get out of it before it takes us down with it.

The way we do this is by recognising that in Jesus, God has provided the way out, not by putting down sin or flesh by ourselves, but by recognising that He is allowing us to leave this state of death and instead, to cleave to His state of life.

When we were under the power of sin we had no choice, no free will because we were captives of our sin environment. He has now given us the choice  to leave the sin/death state and connect with Himself, His Spirit, which is the outcome of HIS victory, of HIS overcoming on our behalf.

HE “tasted death for every man”. HE bore in His own body the consequences and outcome of being of flesh, [and overcame them] because WE had not the resources to do so. Now He gives us HIS resource, being HIS OWN SPIRIT OF LIFE as a GIFT to us to be taken freely by an appreciative heart. “That they might understand WITH THEIR HEART, and turn, and I will HEAL them”.

The OLD MAN is ALREADY pronounced dead and is doomed to wear the outcome, is doomed to death. That which is to LIVE is the NEW man, the new creation which is the man in Christ. This new man is built up as the fruits of the Spirit work their magic in the one born again in Him, having also died in Him as a willing acknowledgment of the death that we deserved having been experienced by Him in His body so we don’t have to experience it any longer in ours. [we can now experience life in this body].

The reality of the old creation being dead is seen by the fact that something dead can die no more, has no need to die further, because death is death**. The reality of the old creation being already dead, IS THE SAME REALITY OF THE OLD MAN BEING ALREADY DEAD. Remain in the dead old man and experience his death, or live in the new man and experience His life.

It was necessary for Jesus to come and reveal the truth of life and death to us, so we could choose His life, which is LOVE.

*[“He who believes in me will never die, he will never see death”.]**[The “second death” is where our ‘first death’ finally catches up with us, with its eternal consequences][The cross is the crisis of the heart][Jesus ’caused his old man to die on the cross’ by killing (healing) him with his love][It is the power of his love which also ‘puts to death’ the old man in us, as our will submits to His].

THE OLD MAN IS DEAD BUT HE WON’T LIE DOWN [1263]

Critical teaching of the victory of a Christian over sin, concerns this issue. Many teach around this subject but never seem to pin down how the absoluteness of it all works. The teaching is that “the old man is dead”.

Now our “old man” was not put to death in a way that denies the use of our will in the matter, anymore than that Jesus literally removed our sin from us. And yet it WAS.

The cross was the revelation to us of life and death, it was a warning as to what will happen to us if we do not heed the message and change our ways. It shows the end of this body of flesh and blood, regardless of whether we believe or not.

The cross is meant to polarise us away from fear and into love. Away from the fear of death and into the love of God as evidenced by the sacrifice of His son on our behalf. To drive us from the fear of death into the arms of love.

If we do not heed the message of the cross then our lives will end in the same way, when our physical life ends, so will we, because we have allowed our identity to remain in “this body of death”.

The message of the cross is to show that if we rise above the physical, if we cleave to the spiritual and allow the “creation” within us of a new person based on the Spirit of God through the Spirit of Christ, then there will be produced, either from the old or from the new, a new body which lasts forever.

Death is inevitable, but it does not have to be permanent*.

ON THE CROSS WE WERE ALL PUT TO DEATH. Just like the flood, it is the destiny of all flesh.

THE POWER OF THE OLD MAN IS GONE BECAUSE HE HAS ALREADY BEEN KILLED ON THE CROSS, WHICH IS A DEMONSTRATION OF THE RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT ON SIN, WHICH CHRISTIANS HAVE TO ACCEPT. When they do, they have passed from death to life.

The cross is a sneak look at the end of all flesh. THE OLD MAN IS DEAD BECAUSE THIS IS TO BE HIS END. God calls things to be which have not yet come to pass. The old creation has been judged and found wanting, and has ALREADY been declared to be dead.

WE DIED WITH HIM, not because ‘we put our flesh to death’ but because HE DECLARED US DEAD WITH HIM. This body of sin has been declared dead and we better get out of it before it takes us down with it.

The way we do this is by recognising that in Jesus, God has provided the way out, not by putting down sin or flesh by ourselves, but by recognising that He is allowing us to leave this state of death and instead, to cleave to His state of life.

When we were under the power of sin we had no choice, no free will because we were captives of our sin environment. He has now given us the choice  to leave the sin/death state and connect with Himself, His Spirit, which is the outcome of HIS victory, of HIS overcoming on our behalf.

HE “tasted death for every man”. HE bore in His own body the consequences and outcome of being of flesh, [and overcame them] because WE had not the resources to do so. Now He gives us HIS resource, being HIS OWN SPIRIT OF LIFE as a GIFT to us to be taken freely by an appreciative heart. “That they might understand WITH THEIR HEART, and turn, and I will HEAL them”.

The OLD MAN is ALREADY pronounced dead and is doomed to wear the outcome, is doomed to death. That which is to LIVE is the NEW man, the new creation which is the man in Christ. This new man is built up as the fruits of the Spirit work their magic in the one born again in Him, having also died in Him as a willing acknowledgment of the death that we deserved having been experienced by Him in His body so we don’t have to experience it any longer in ours. [we can now experience life in this body].

The reality of the old creation being dead is seen by the fact that something dead can die no more, has no need to die further, because death is death**. The reality of the old creation being already dead, IS THE SAME REALITY OF THE OLD MAN BEING ALREADY DEAD. Remain in the dead old man and experience his death, or live in the new man and experience His life.

It was necessary for Jesus to come and reveal the truth of life and death to us, so we could choose His life, which is LOVE.

*[“He who believes in me will never die, he will never see death”.]**[The “second death” is where our ‘first death’ finally catches up with us, with its eternal consequences][The cross is the crisis of the heart][Jesus ’caused his old man to die on the cross’ by killing (healing) him with his love][It is the power of his love which also ‘puts to death’ the old man in us, as our will submits to His].

CHOOSE LIFE [1235a]

What is it you associate your identity with? And what is it you would LIKE to associate your identity with? If it is between DARKNESS and LIGHT, then you have a choice. You do not have to be trapped in the darkness scenario, because Jesus entered into the darkness FOR us, and destroyed it.

Fair enough, it was at the time, His OWN darkness [His own ‘sin’ body] that He was destroying, but then He turned around and gave Himself, His Spirit, to us, so that we too then had this darkness destroying power within us, also. In fact, it goes beyond this, because He gives us the VICTORY associated with His returned to us Spirit, we don’t have to do what He did, nor can we. WE get the full package with all the add-ons, all the bells and whistles, all the accessories, FOR FREE. What is now the latest model becomes ours, in us, becomes who we are also.

Do you want darkness or light? The choice is yours. Previously you had no choice because the circumstances imprisoned you. But as real as the darkness is, was, your release from it is “realer”.

Truth testifies to the realities of both darkness and light. But truth itself witnesses to the fact that darkness IS A LIE. If light did not exist, darkness might be valid. But Light DOES EXIST and it can be plainly seen which one of darkness or light is to be preferred. Prefer darkness? Well then STAY in it, are you trying to punish yourself? Is your guilt so overwhelming that you cannot FACE the TRUTH?

But the truth is, that darkness has no authority, no right over you at all to hold onto you. Everything should have taught us by now that everything that is good and right can be had by choice, if only we see our way clear to exercise our will in that direction.

Jesus died to the darkness, to free us from it. It has been done, is a matter past, and is meant to liberate us from all that is not good and true and wonderful. We can choose because God has now given us the choice to CHOOSE HIS SON and what He did for us, which was to free us from obligation to darkness sin and death.

CHOOSE to do what is right. Choose to DEFY the darkness and turn your back on it, CHOOSE LIGHT and all that is good. CHOOSE HIM and deny yourself and your darkness, because it is no longer yours but HIS, HE BOUGHT it from you. Recognise his ownership and surrender to it, to Him.

CHOOSE LIFE [1235]

What is it you associate your identity with? And what is it you would LIKE to associate your identity with? If it is between DARKNESS and LIGHT, then you have a choice. You do not have to be trapped in the darkness scenario, because Jesus entered into the darkness FOR us, and destroyed it.

Fair enough, it was at the time, His OWN darkness [His own ‘sin’ body] that He was destroying, but then He turned around and gave Himself, His Spirit, to us, so that we too then had this darkness destroying power within us, also. In fact, it goes beyond this, because He gives us the VICTORY associated with His returned to us Spirit, we don’t have to do what He did, nor can we. WE get the full package with all the add-ons, all the bells and whistles, all the accessories, FOR FREE. What is now the latest model becomes ours, in us, becomes who we are also.

Do you want darkness or light? The choice is yours. Previously you had no choice because the circumstances imprisoned you. But as real as the darkness is, was, your release from it is “realer”.

Truth testifies to the realities of both darkness and light. But truth itself witnesses to the fact that darkness IS A LIE. If light did not exist, darkness might be valid. But Light DOES EXIST and it can be plainly seen which one of darkness or light is to be preferred. Prefer darkness? Well then STAY in it, are you trying to punish yourself? Is your guilt so overwhelming that you cannot FACE the TRUTH?

But the truth is, that darkness has no authority, no right over you at all to hold onto you. Everything should have taught us by now that everything that is good and right can be had by choice, if only we see our way clear to exercise our will in that direction.

Jesus died to the darkness, to free us from it. It has been done, is a matter past, and is meant to liberate us from all that is not good and true and wonderful. We can choose because God has now given us the choice to CHOOSE HIS SON and what He did for us, which was to free us from obligation to darkness sin and death.

CHOOSE to do what is right. Choose to DEFY the darkness and turn your back on it, CHOOSE LIGHT and all that is good. CHOOSE HIM and deny yourself and your darkness, because it is no longer yours but HIS, HE BOUGHT it from you. Recognise his ownership and surrender to it, to Him.