JESUS ENTERED INTO THE DARKNESS [165ao]

The difficulty of understanding all aspects of the cross may be lessened by understanding why Jesus said “My God…” in relation to his Father, since that is how most of mankind views God, as some sort of distant upholder of the law who is intent on bringing us to justice for our sins.

The subject of light and darkness is present in scripture as a means of understanding the good happy stuff as distinct from the bad sad stuff. That God is light and we (sin) are darkness. That he dwells in light while we dwell in darkness. [darkness is scary because you can’t see where you’re going].

When Jesus “bore our sin”, he entered into the darkness that is common to mankind, he entered into the state of separation from God who is light. This separation from God is a theme which began in the garden when Adam failed to maintain his relationship with God, who was his Father. Henceforth his relationship would be felt by him [Adam] as one who was an outcast from God’s presence, and as one who was unworthy of God’s love.

He felt this condition because his PERCEPTION of God had been altered by the cloud of sin and guilt that acted as a filter to prevent his own view of himself as being one who was acceptable and lovable. Where once there was only the singularity of God and his love, there now lay the complexity of sin and guilt, which heavily filtered out the light and brought darkness to his “soul”. [this darkness is seen as condemnation and “wrath” ]

Jesus was “made in all points as us”. This means he was not only the perfect son of God, but that he was a “heavenly Spirit” who lived in an earthly body. As such, his identity was always that of consciously being “The Son of God”, and to him, God was his Father. “Do you not know that I must be about my Father’s business” he said when he was twelve years old or so. This identity heavily “polarised” him so that his conscious self always dwelt within this identity, and any temptation that came to him was immediately isolated as being from an “alien” source.

This position/condition remained with him throughout his life until he began to enter into his “passion”, which means until he began to enter into the realm within himself that was identified as man’s “world”, man’s consciousness, man’s deficiencies, and man’s sins and the very mechanism within from which and by which sin is generated. This passion began in the garden, where he began to feel the effects of it so severely that he literally began to die*. “Father if it be thy will let this cup pass from me, but nevertheless, thy will be done”.

This is ultimately portrayed on the cross where literal darkness came over the scene. Jesus cried “My God, my God, why have you forsaken [abandoned] [left] me.” He was no longer feeling the loving presence of his Father, he was feeling the same sense of isolation from Love that we feel, he was caught up in the darkness of “soul” that we feel, his perception was not that of his loving Father but that of an angry God who was confronting him with the sin that by indwelling mankind, continued to express and produce the works of darkness that he now felt within him.

He stayed in this condition, feeling what we call “hell”, subject to all that we perceive to be the “punishment” of hell, feeling the burning wrath of the inner conflict that had now erupted into anguish and agony of soul. Until at last all of the inner death that mankind had “brought to the table” had been extinguished, had been overcome, had been brought to a state of life, where previously there was only death. Sure, he could have bailed at any time, he could have, as Spirit, returned to the Father. But once entered into the battle, it was inconceivable that he would quit the mission for which he was born. He was entitled to retain life, but having uttered the words “It is finished”, having defeated the “enemy” and restored the human condition, he surrendered his life, his Spirit,  to God. To his now restored perception, of God as Father. He died.

God the Father was never any different, had not changed, yet sin had changed man’s idea, view, of God into being someone who was out for revenge, someone who wanted to set things right by punishing us for sin. And we feel that sense of punishment within, we feel the impending doom through guilt and fear of death, yet God has never changed from being the loving Father to us all. He has never wanted us to die in our sins, he has always been available to wash us in his love, to restore us from darkness to light. We simply have been blinded to him in that way, because of the indwelling  darkness of sin.

Jesus was the revelation of the true nature of God. He came to remove the blinkers from our eyes, to take the shroud of death from our hearts, to release us from the misery of self condemnation that was empowered by the law that exists within us because we were made as sons of God. That law that is reinforced by the correct judgement we bring to bear on ourselves, so that, unable to bear it, we hide from it and from him, because the perceived unattainable love is so painful and miserable a condition. Jesus entered into this same condition, and destroyed its validity, destroyed its falseness of accusation against us and God, so that by our recognition of his loving righteousness in restoring us in Jesus, we rightly judge and agree with his action in forgiving us in this way as being the ultimate righteousness of all.

As created sons of God, we condemned ourselves to the point where our perception was that God was of the same nature as our false perception.

Christ didn’t remove the barrier between us and God because there never was one. What he did was to reveal his Father as being our Father, by presenting him in the correct perspective in relation to us and our own faulty perspective. Certainly he destroyed the faulty nature of man and suffered that which was the natural outcome of our “sickness”.

But by showing the outcome of this process as being life itself, he draws us to himself and the heavenly Father. We are drawn to his love which is able to cleanse us as we submit to that which always was, from the perfection of his concern for us to perfect us in the love that he is. By faith our sins are remitted, as they do not exist in his eyes, but only in our eyes. Such sorrow there may be as to hold us back from such submission, but such love must ultimately bring us to his heart and allow that love to consume us and consume our faults, our defects, our sin and darkness. “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life”, no man comes to the Father but by me”.

Jesus exampled the father and also humanity within his own body. In this way he has become the high Priest for us, the intermediary for us. We are perfected in him, once we commit to him. We are not perfect as he is perfect, but we are perfected in that we will live with him regardless of our “performance” as we continue in the process of ultimate perfection, in which we are saved regardless of our ultimate condition, as long as we remain in him. “live a life of love”. “All things are yours”.

Love is the active ingredient that engages the enemy and suffers because of it. The nature of love is something that is continued in as faith builds a new reality which is really an old reality (I give you a new commandment which is really an old commandment) but is the reality of God and his love for us. Love one another, bear each others burdens, and so fulfill the “law” of Christ.

[* The idea of Jesus beginning to die was introduced by a certain theologian, but which should not dispel the accepted concept of it simply being the repugnancy of/for the condition of the sin experience he was about to enter. He also knew that when he was in this state that he would be unable to understand this separation from the Father, giving rise to “why have you forsaken me?”]

https://www.compellingtruth.org/Jesus-died-for-our-sins.html

This link is provided to an article on the atonement, but I have not yet checked out the source, nor many of the other associated articles. I know they have got at least one thing wrong, that being where they say that Paul in Romans 7 was struggling with sin, which is a bad error if they are saying He did this as a Christian, which I think is what they are saying [yes, this is error] . And while it covers many subjects, it may be the opening of a can of theological errors. For those with the time to investigate further, it may be an interesting exercise in futility, or an expose’ of whoever the originating authority is. THEIR Romans 7 ref.   https://www.compellingtruth.org/assurance-of-salvation.html

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WE ARE NOT HELD TO ACCOUNT FOR OUR SIN – WE ARE HELD TO ACCOUNT FOR NOT HAVING LEFT IT [1784a]

It is a sad thing to dwell on sins of the past, God says “He remembers them no more” so why do WE? While we are dwelling on the past, we are poisoning our present and therefore also our future! Death is already dead, so we should ensure we have left death behind and are producing life as a result of having left death behind.

Because all flesh will perish, only that flesh which has recognised this and crossed over from death to life, will survive the final crossover from flesh to Spirit. Past sins have been accounted for – ALL sin has been accounted for as death worthy already in the body of Jesus.

So we are held accountable for nothing but the absence of life. Life produces in us more life, and only THIS life will be “held accountable” but only in the good sense. What you become is what you will be forever, once “the door is shut”. Death is already accounted dead, just like our past sin. Only real life remains, and it will remain forever.

WE ARE NOT HELD TO ACCOUNT FOR OUR SIN – WE ARE HELD TO ACCOUNT FOR NOT HAVING LEFT IT [1784]

It is a sad thing to dwell on sins of the past, God says “He remembers them no more” so why do WE? While we are dwelling on the past, we are poisoning our present and therefore also our future! Death is already dead, so we should ensure we have left death behind and are producing life as a result of having left death behind.

Because all flesh will perish, only that flesh which has recognised this and crossed over from death to life, will survive the final crossover from flesh to Spirit. Past sins have been accounted for – ALL sin has been accounted for as death worthy already in the body of Jesus.

So we are held accountable for nothing but the absence of life. Life produces in us more life, and only THIS life will be “held accountable” but only in the good sense. What you become is what you will be forever, once “the door is shut”. Death is already accounted dead, just like our past sin. Only real life remains, and it will remain forever.

IF THE LAW IS ALIVE IN YOU THEN SO IS SIN [1761]

(Out of sequence post 5)

The only way for sin to not be alive in you is for you to die to the law. Since Jesus has already done this for us then what you have to do is to believe He has done it. Otherwise law will be alive in you and you in the law, and sin will be empowered. It is only the fulfillment of the law in you as it was in Him, that will free you from it and from its condemnation. In this way you are freed from sin, otherwise it will still be empowered in you. One died for all, therefore all died. Those who are His have (allowed Him to have) crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. You are not your own, you were bought with a price. Jesus bore the condemnation of the law in HIS body so as to free it from OURS. [by accepting its judgement and dying with Him in it] “It is finished”.

[“For the sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law, but Thanks be to God who gives us the victory…”]

YOU ARE OBLIGED TO ABOLISH THE LAW [1753a]

Jesus by fulfilling the law in His own body, abolished it, and we are also obligated to do this. We must accept His fulfillment of the law on our behalf, so that we can by faith in His action, faith in Him, allow the abolishment of the law to occur in our body also.

All those who are under the law are under the curse of the law, but you have been set free from the law, Jesus took the curse [of not doing everything the law said] for you, so that you might no longer be under the law with its condemnation of you.

By leaving the ministry of death and condemnation (the law), you are enabled to enter into the ministry of reconciliation, the ministry of the Spirit of life, that same Spirit as delivered at Pentecost to free mankind from sin and sinning.

It has been made plain that we are to live by faith, and made plain that the law is not of faith. There is now a new covenant, not one of the law, but one of grace. You have now been set free from all that the law of Moses could not free you from.

The law is the law of sin and death, and addresses sinners, not saints. IF YOU ARE UNDER THE LAW YOU ARE DEAD. Instead, we are required to DIE TO THE LAW, and rise again to new life in the Spirit.

[Timothy – “…the law was made not for good men but for bad…”][“… not being without law, but under the law of Christ…” 1 Cor. 9:21.]

YOU ARE OBLIGED TO ABOLISH THE LAW [1753]

Jesus by fulfilling the law in His own body, abolished it, and we are also obligated to do this. We must accept His fulfillment of the law on our behalf, so that we can by faith in His action, faith in Him, allow the abolishment of the law to occur in our body also.

All those who are under the law are under the curse of the law, but you have been set free from the law, Jesus took the curse [of not doing everything the law said] for you, so that you might no longer be under the law with its condemnation of you.

By leaving the ministry of death and condemnation (the law), you are enabled to enter into the ministry of reconciliation, the ministry of the Spirit of life, that same Spirit as delivered at Pentecost to free mankind from sin and sinning.

It has been made plain that we are to live by faith, and made plain that the law is not of faith. There is now a new covenant, not one of the law, but one of grace. You have now been set free from all that the law of Moses could not free you from.

The law is the law of sin and death, and addresses sinners, not saints. IF YOU ARE UNDER THE LAW YOU ARE DEAD. Instead, we are required to DIE TO THE LAW, and rise again to new life in the Spirit.

[Timothy – “…the law was made not for good men but for bad…”][“… not being without law, but under the law of Christ…” 1 Cor. 9:21.]

YOU WERE MADE TO DIE TO THE LAW [1740a]

You have been RELEASED from the law, having DIED to that BY WHICH WE WERE BOUND. You were MADE to DIE to the law THROUGH THE BODY OF CHRIST. Knowing this, that our OLD SELF WAS CRUCIFIED WITH HIM. But now we have been RELEASED FROM THE LAW.

Knowing this, that our old self WAS crucified WITH Him, that our body of sin might be done away with, that we no longer should be slaves to sin, for he who HAS died IS FREED from sin.

But NOW we HAVE BEEN RELEASED from the law, having DIED to that BY WHICH WE WERE BOUND, so that we serve in newness of the SPIRIT and NOT in OLDNESS of the LETTER.

For sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, deceived me, and through it, KILLED ME. So He has set me free from this body of death, this body of sin that has now been done away with. Having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life.

YOU WERE MADE TO DIE TO THE LAW [1740]

You have been RELEASED from the law, having DIED to that BY WHICH WE WERE BOUND. You were MADE to DIE to the law THROUGH THE BODY OF CHRIST. Knowing this, that our OLD SELF WAS CRUCIFIED WITH HIM. But now we have been RELEASED FROM THE LAW.

Knowing this, that our old self WAS crucified WITH Him, that our body of sin might be done away with, that we no longer should be slaves to sin, for he who HAS died IS FREED from sin.

But NOW we HAVE BEEN RELEASED from the law, having DIED to that BY WHICH WE WERE BOUND, so that we serve in newness of the SPIRIT and NOT in OLDNESS of the LETTER.

For sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, deceived me, and through it, KILLED ME. So He has set me free from this body of death, this body of sin that has now been done away with. Having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life.

ISAIAH 14, HOW MANY “I”s COMPARED WITH ROMANS 7? [1736a]

A feature of Romans 7 is how many times Paul uses the “I” in this chapter, meaning that the focus is completely on himself rather than on Christ. In Isaiah the same thing occurs in the passage usually associated with “Lucifer, son of the morning” and the preoccupation by and with SELF. [Venus, the bright morning star].

So in Romans 7, Paul is on his own, WITHOUT Christ or the Spirit, henceforth that which Jesus stated, that “without me you can do nothing” is proven to be true. Paul falls as hard in Romans 7 as “Lucifer” in Isaiah does. The number of “I”s in Romans 7 is 26 in 25 verses, and in Isaiah 14 [against the king of Babylon] is 5 in the two verses 13 and 14, which are countered by the “I” of the Lord before and after this.

“Lucifer” [king of Babylon] is proclaiming the existence and dominance of self to the exclusion of God, and Paul is discovering that he by himself is unable to rise to the position of God, that he cannot produce righteousness by self, and that only evil exists in NATURAL self, having though, also made the discovery that evil dwells in him against (because of) his law enlightened will which is powerless to operate ‘in the good’ while bound by law. [he only operates in evil].

The fate of “Lucifer” (KJV) is that of being brought down to Sheoul.

The fate of Paul is that of complete wretchedness [“body of death” also brought down to Sheol] because he is prevented from doing good because he is bound to do evil, being under the condemnation of the law, and so being under the wrath of God. “Who will deliver me from this body of death?” [Jesus will, and has.]

That this “light” became darkness, and having departed from its source in God, in order to stand on its own, producing and maintaining and having its own autonomy, would be brought to nought. The soul that sins in separation from Christ shall surely die.

So pictured here is a matter of IDENTITY, whether it be in SELF, or it be in CHRIST. Only the “self” that finds identity in Christ will survive. Jesus said “…let him DENY himSELF, and [take up his cross and] follow me…”

Paul in Rom.7:25 said “I myself (“I, OF myself” one of the NIV versions) do serve with my flesh the law of sin. Verse 14, “I” am of law flesh sin bondage. Verse 23 and 25, a prisoner to the law of sin. 7:9 “I” was once alive* apart from law but the commandment birthed sin in me and “I” died, was immersed in death. Inner rebellion against my loss of freedom of expression of “MY” life as “I” saw it, meant that my “I”dentity was in separation from God, which Jesus also experienced, so that the “I”, “my”, separation could be removed by the reconciliation that He brought, ‘bought’. “He has abolished the law”. “In His flesh”.

*See also Adam’s “fall”.

[THE REDEMPTION OF THE BODY.][Sheoul or Sheol, is the grave][The depiction of Paul is that of one IN the flesh, being that he is OF the flesh and before he is IN the Spirit][Under law, Paul’s mind cannot control his body].

ISAIAH 14, HOW MANY “I”s COMPARED WITH ROMANS 7? [1736]

A feature of Romans 7 is how many times Paul uses the “I” in this chapter, meaning that the focus is completely on himself rather than on Christ. In Isaiah the same thing occurs in the passage usually associated with “Lucifer, son of the morning” and the preoccupation by and with SELF. [Venus, the bright morning star].

So in Romans 7, Paul is on his own, WITHOUT Christ or the Spirit, henceforth that which Jesus stated, that “without me you can do nothing” is proven to be true. Paul falls as hard in Romans 7 as “Lucifer” in Isaiah does. The number of “I”s in Romans 7 is 26 in 25 verses, and in Isaiah 14 [against the king of Babylon] is 5 in the two verses 13 and 14, which are countered by the “I” of the Lord before and after this.

“Lucifer” [king of Babylon] is proclaiming the existence and dominance of self to the exclusion of God, and Paul is discovering that he by himself is unable to rise to the position of God, that he cannot produce righteousness by self, and that only evil exists in NATURAL self, having though, also made the discovery that evil dwells in him against (because of) his law enlightened will which is powerless to operate ‘in the good’ while bound by law. [he only operates in evil].

The fate of “Lucifer” (KJV) is that of being brought down to Sheoul.

The fate of Paul is that of complete wretchedness [“body of death” also brought down to Sheol] because he is prevented from doing good because he is bound to do evil, being under the condemnation of the law, and so being under the wrath of God. “Who will deliver me from this body of death?” [Jesus will, and has.]

That this “light” became darkness, and having departed from its source in God, in order to stand on its own, producing and maintaining and having its own autonomy, would be brought to nought. The soul that sins in separation from Christ shall surely die.

So pictured here is a matter of IDENTITY, whether it be in SELF, or it be in CHRIST. Only the “self” that finds identity in Christ will survive. Jesus said “…let him DENY himSELF, and [take up his cross and] follow me…”

Paul in Rom.7:25 said “I myself (“I, OF myself” one of the NIV versions) do serve with my flesh the law of sin. Verse 14, “I” am of law flesh sin bondage. Verse 23 and 25, a prisoner to the law of sin. 7:9 “I” was once alive* apart from law but the commandment birthed sin in me and “I” died, was immersed in death. Inner rebellion against my loss of freedom of expression of “MY” life as “I” saw it, meant that my “I”dentity was in separation from God, which Jesus also experienced, so that the “I”, “my”, separation could be removed by the reconciliation that He brought, ‘bought’. “He has abolished the law”. “In His flesh”.

*See also Adam’s “fall”.

[THE REDEMPTION OF THE BODY.][Sheoul or Sheol, is the grave][The depiction of Paul is that of one IN the flesh, being that he is OF the flesh and before he is IN the Spirit][Under law, Paul’s mind cannot control his body].