JUST WHAT IS MEANT BY “THE REDEMPTION OF THE BODY”? [1005a]

Much is made of the redemption of the body by some, and perhaps not enough by others. Although in general terms the expectation is that the dead (dead bodies) will rise, being “resurrected”, there may be more to it. The new body that is spoken of may be vastly unlike the old, in fact there may be very little resemblance, if any at all. [Jesus was unrecognised after His resurrection].

So the events pertaining to this matter may have to be perused for information that will inform us of the truth of the matter. Paul said “not that I would be unclothed, but clothed with my heavenly dwelling” (2 Cor 5-4). The redemption and adoption? of the body appears to be the great hope that is “stored up for us in Heaven”. [Adoption Rom 8-23 “…waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body”]

Paul’s comment “not that I would be unclothed” is used to show that he does not simply wander off as some sort of “spirit”, (as in “go to heaven”) but that he is talking about the return of Christ at which time He will be the recipient of his inheritance in the form of his promised new heavenly body.

So it is in the hope of this promised body inheritance that we ‘strive’ for. The timing of this and the circumstances are to be scripturally sought for, especially whether or not it can be shown that specifically the old body is risen, or the new one. What are the words used to describe this “momentous event”?

Does it really matter whether or not the actual “old” body is raised, or whether it simply “appears” like some kind of magic trick? Whatever it is, it will be both magical and extraordinary.

“With what kind of body do they come? is the question, and the biblical answer is “you fool…” Let’s look up the reference. 1 Corin 15-35 onwards. And/plus. The dead are raised imperishable [???]. The dead in Christ will rise first? “He will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep (in Him?)” [we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, ….] So perhaps the “rising” and the “bringing with Him” are the same thing?

1 Thess 4-16 The dead in Christ will rise first. 4-14 God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. [sleep = dead]. A new body, stored [kept] in heaven?

“You are storing up for yourselves wrath…” [or righteousness].

1 Peter 1-4 imperishable inheritance, kept in Heaven for you.

So it seems the new body is a bit of an unknown, but that it will be like His own body, and it is kept in heaven waiting for us to ‘put it on’. “In my Father’s house are many mansions…” The works that are tested by fire are likely to be a reference to the new body itself, which is no doubt “composed of” everything that one has done in their lifetime,  works (that done while in the body) of the Spirit or flesh: whether good or bad. Fire will determine the outcome, whether there remains a new immortal body or whether what you were is completely burnt up. There are also “if a man’s works do not stand, he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames” which tends to show there is a certain standard attached to this process, but which is basically that you are a believer. [And “his works” may constitute the substance of His ‘heavenly dwelling’?]

Having left the “will it be the actual sown body that is raised?” question, this is getting bigger than Ben Hur so I might leave it at that for the time being. But the understanding seems to be that we reap what we sow, and this will be represented by the resurrected body which, in the environment of the Spirit, will either be an acceptable eternal imperishable and immortal body, which has been “stored up for us, in heaven”, or it will still be the old mortal flesh and blood body which has no spiritual counterpart by which to effect the redemptive process, and it will be at some stage, reduced to ashes in the process of confrontation with the fire of the Spirit.

[Clothed with my heavenly dwelling = Father’s house has many mansions?][ I go to prepare a place for you and will come back and take you to be where I am?][The thief on the cross was ‘barely’ or ‘hardly’ saved? (He ‘had no works’]

Later Edit [???] and, [A resurrection of the dead, the just and the unjust?][The unrighteous will not ‘stand in the resurrection’ (of life?)] dead raised imperishable?] [see above (in Him?)

LE. Perhaps those who have died outside of Christ, will be ‘risen’ ‘still’ mortal?

LE. Is “sleep” reserved only for the dead who are otherwise ‘alive in Him’?

LE. two ‘resurrections’, perhaps one of the just and one of the unjust, perhaps simultaneously?

JUST WHAT IS MEANT BY “THE REDEMPTION OF THE BODY”? [1005]

Much is made of the redemption of the body by some, and perhaps not enough by others. Although in general terms the expectation is that the dead (dead bodies) will rise, being “resurrected”, there may be more to it. The new body that is spoken of may be vastly unlike the old, in fact there may be very little resemblance, if any at all. [Jesus was unrecognised after His resurrection].

So the events pertaining to this matter may have to be perused for information that will inform us of the truth of the matter. Paul said “not that I would be unclothed, but clothed with my heavenly dwelling” (2 Cor 5-4). The redemption and adoption? of the body appears to be the great hope that is “stored up for us in Heaven”. [Adoption Rom 8-23 “…waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body”]

Paul’s comment “not that I would be unclothed” is used to show that he does not simply wander off as some sort of “spirit”, (as in “go to heaven”) but that he is talking about the return of Christ at which time He will be the recipient of his inheritance in the form of his promised new heavenly body.

So it is in the hope of this promised body inheritance that we ‘strive’ for. The timing of this and the circumstances are to be scripturally sought for, especially whether or not it can be shown that specifically the old body is risen, or the new one. What are the words used to describe this “momentous event”?

Does it really matter whether or not the actual “old” body is raised, or whether it simply “appears” like some kind of magic trick? Whatever it is, it will be both magical and extraordinary.

“With what kind of body do they come? is the question, and the biblical answer is “you fool…” Let’s look up the reference. 1 Corin 15-35 onwards. And/plus. The dead are raised imperishable. The dead in Christ will rise first? “He will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Him” [we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, ….] So perhaps the “rising” and the “bringing with Him” are the same thing?

1 Thess 4-16 The dead in Christ will rise first. 4-14 God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. [sleep = dead]. A new body, stored [kept] in heaven?

“You are storing up for yourselves wrath…” [or righteousness].

1 Peter 1-4 imperishable inheritance, kept in Heaven for you.

So it seems the new body is a bit of an unknown, but that it will be like His own body, and it is kept in heaven waiting for us to ‘put it on’. “In my Father’s house are many mansions…” The works that are tested by fire are likely to be a reference to the new body itself, which is no doubt “composed of” everything that one has done in their lifetime,  works (that done while in the body) of the Spirit or flesh: whether good or bad. Fire will determine the outcome, whether there remains a new immortal body or whether what you were is completely burnt up. There is also “if a man’s works do not stand, he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames” which tends to show there is a certain standard attached to this process, but which is basically that you are a believer. [And “his works” may constitute the substance of His ‘heavenly dwelling’?]

Having left the “will it be the actual sown body that is raised?” question, this is getting bigger than Ben Hur so I might leave it at that for the time being. But the understanding seems to be that we reap what we sow, and this will be represented by the resurrected body which, in the environment of the Spirit, will either be an acceptable eternal imperishable and immortal body, which has been “stored up for us, in heaven”, or it will still be the old mortal flesh and blood body which has no spiritual counterpart by which to effect the redemptive process, and it will be at some stage, reduced to ashes in the process of confrontation with the fire of the Spirit.

[Clothed with my heavenly dwelling = Father’s house has many mansions?][ I go to prepare a place for you and will come back and take you to be where I am?][The thief on the cross was ‘barely’ or ‘hardly’ saved? (He ‘had no works’]

BEARING THE IMAGE OF THE SON [921a]

 

To bear the image of God was to bear a burden we couldn’t take. It was too massive a responsibility, too high a calling for creatures of flesh and bone, full of self desires and conflicts. The knowledge of right and wrong killed us, we knew our guilt when we left the Spirit of God and moved into our flesh, from whence to create mischief and mayhem. By going against the eternal order, we set up a new powerbase independently of God.

Contrastingly, Jesus’ “…yoke was easy, and his burden was light”. As the son of God, He had only to follow the image of His Father in order to retain peace about who He was and what He was doing. It was only as he took on the sins of the world that he entered into conflict with his separated internal identity of flesh, and destroyed the lie of it by the righteousness of His Spirit.

We also need to assume and take up the identity as sons of the Father, so we can operate in the correct role in which we were intended to operate, that being as obedient children instead of being in competition with the Father himself. We were made as deficient gods who were bent on self destruction by way of inner guilt. The son of His love paved the way for us to follow by introducing us to the complete nature of God, which was love, and along with the concept of forgiveness, was the thing we were missing in our original basic makeup.

By us identifying with the son, [empathy] we then are identifying ourselves as sons also, with Him. Through and because of the son, we can now “bear” the image of God as our Father. We become part of the successful family, instead of separate autonomous units doomed to failure.

[“Without me you can do nothing”][The spirit of Christ is now with us and in us][Let us also bear the image of the heavenly][So shall we also bear the image of the heavenly]

BEARING THE IMAGE OF THE SON [921]

 

To bear the image of God was to bear a burden we couldn’t take. It was too massive a responsibility, too high a calling for creatures of flesh and bone, full of self desires and conflicts. The knowledge of right and wrong killed us, we knew our guilt when we left the Spirit of God and moved into our flesh, from whence to create mischief and mayhem. By going against the eternal order, we set up a new powerbase independently of God.

Contrastingly, Jesus’ “…yoke was easy, and his burden was light”. As the son of God, He had only to follow the image of His Father in order to retain peace about who He was and what He was doing. It was only as he took on the sins of the world that he entered into conflict with his separated internal identity of flesh, and destroyed the lie of it by the righteousness of His Spirit.

We also need to assume and take up the identity as sons of the Father, so we can operate in the correct role we were intended to operate in, that being as obedient children instead of being in competition with the Father himself. We were made as deficient gods who were bent on self destruction by way of inner guilt. The son of His love paved the way for us to follow by introducing us to the complete nature of God, which was love, and along with the concept of forgiveness, was the thing we were missing in our original basic makeup.

By us identifying with the son, [empathy] we then are identifying ourselves as sons also, with Him. Through and because of the son, we can now “bear” the image of God as our Father. We become part of the successful family, instead of separate autonomous units doomed to failure.

[“Without me you can do nothing”][The spirit of Christ is now with us and in us]

BODY SWAP [868a]

This is what the Christian life amounts to. We swap our faulty death destined body for his glorious heavenly one, in promise of its future reality.

We allow Him to inhabit our body for his purposes, for his will to be enacted on earth, and as becoming part of HIS body, we gain His heavenly presence to be futuristically made permanent.

As being “seated with him” we have His power and authority by which to fulfil His purpose with us on the earth.

Jesus has earned the right to live in me, by the purchase of me “with his blood”. I cannot deny Him His righteous acquisition. He earned the right to live in me, and He GIFTED me the right to live in Him.

This useless body destined for the grave, he takes and uses it to do his will on earth, as He gives us direction from “Heaven”.

His body that was racked with the pain and iniquity that is otherwise the lot and destiny of humankind, he presents to us as a final gift, by faith, on that day, as the completed product of his creation. He now takes our body that by faith as proactive for him, has been freed from deathly control to serve him, as we now allow Him to.

We serve the image of the Son of God within.

[The promise of life, by faith, is made a present reality]

BODY SWAP [868]

This is what the Christian life amounts to. We swap our faulty death destined body for his glorious heavenly one, in promise of its future reality.

We allow Him to inhabit our body for his purposes, for his will to be enacted on earth, and as becoming part of HIS body, we gain His heavenly presence to be futuristically made permanent.

As being “seated with him” we have His power and authority by which to fulfil His purpose with us on the earth.

Jesus has earned the right to live in me, by the purchase of me “with his blood”. I cannot deny Him His righteous acquisition. He earned the right to live in me, and He GIFTED me the right to live in Him.

This useless body destined for the grave, he takes and uses it to do his will on earth, as He gives us direction from “Heaven”.

His body that was racked with the pain and iniquity that is otherwise the lot and destiny of humankind, he presents to us as a final gift, by faith, on that day, as the completed product of his creation. He now takes our body that by faith as proactive for him, has been freed from deathly control to serve him, as we now allow Him to.

We serve the image of the Son of God within.

[The promise of life, by faith, is made a present reality]