CULTS AND SECTS – World Wide Church of God, Herbert Armstrong [706b]

This is/was a very bad cult which managed to destroy many lives. [It has re-emerged in a new form under another name, something like new church of God*]. It is extremely legalistic and there is much on the web about them, posted by ex members who provide quite an expose’ of this group. It is difficult for ex members of this group to obtain release from the indoctrination that amounts, as always, to brain washing. Sometimes a lot of psychological help has to be obtained to gain relief from the aftermath of this, and other cults.

The problems with these groups always seem to result from the wrong view of atonement, although I am not sure of the specifics of this one, or the Mormons for that matter. But whenever the wrong view of atonement is taught, there emerges all kind of legalisms – That is, that the freedom the gospel delivers is hidden behind legalistic  requirements which only serve to maintain religious slavery which is similar to Judaistic principles. Whereas the gospel preaches release from law, these groups create their own laws [they are without excuse] as well as twisting the existing scriptures to suit themselves. Often there is an emphasis on prophesy [futuristic] as a way of postulating their supposed authority.

Where the correct view of the atonement appears to be present (seems unlikely) then other reasons must be sought for it. The thing about having the correct view of course, is that it results in the freedom which the gospel was meant to bring, so if freedom is replaced by legalisms, you can immediately be very suspicious about what is going on. The freedom that the Spirit brings is unmistakable and normally excludes the possibility of such errors occurring.

This is a link or links to other web pages which may help to reveal the character of these groups.    http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/exwcg/

“The painful Truth”   https://hwarmstrong.com/grown.htm

*[possibly “Grace Communion International”?]   SEE posts 706 and 240 plus others

“Recovering from Armstrongism”      http://www.ukapologetics.net/08/ARM/1/index.htm

A WORD TO JOYCE MEYER [1234a]

Good on you Joyce, you have done amazing things over the years. But you just seem to be impinging on the legalistic slightly, especially when you talk about the law. Notable recently was your continuance of insisting that biblical knowledge is sacrosanct, if that is the right word.

Almost you appear to be saying that to be saved, we must understand scripture. You are SO HEAVY on bible study almost to the exclusion of the Spirit. Surely the new life is BECAUSE OF the new Spirit with which we are now filled? Is this one of the drawbacks of Pentecostalism that it causes a distortion of the gospel message? Possibly because the Spirit gifts are so emphasised (wrongly) to the exclusion of the MAIN FUNCTION of “The Spirit” which is to GIVE US LIFE and then by this inner life WE ARE ABLE TO GIVE LIFE TO OTHERS? as well as maintain it in ourselves?

This “business” about the emphasis on the study of scripture is what gives rise to many a cult or sect heresy about the Spirit, where they also deny the importance, the central place of the Living Spirit THAT JESUS IS and HAS in us. They also deny Him by explaining His presence as being only that which is a result of bible study, and not His supernatural place in our hearts minds and bodies.

It is the Spirit that gives us life, not bible knowledge, not the written word, valuable though it may be. And the Spirit does not come from the written word, but rather the written word came from the Spirit. Unless it be a living word from the Spirit. To build religions on bible  knowledge alone is to exclude the Living God from input to us directly. Is to exclude a direct relationship and to replace it with many written words which are subject to misinterpretation, mistranslation and manipulation.

Anything that takes the place of the living Spirit of God is IDOLATRY.

[You study the scriptures because in them you think you have eternal life, but it is they which testify OF ME.][We will come to him and make our home with him][That where I am you may be also]

The story of this “gay” man reveals the non-necessity for bible knowledge/study   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y24l9gX1Bc

A WORD TO JOYCE MEYER [1234]

Good on you Joyce, you have done amazing things over the years. But you just seem to be impinging on the legalistic slightly, especially when you talk about the law. Notable recently was your continuance of insisting that biblical knowledge is sacrosanct, if that is the right word.

Almost you appear to be saying that to be saved, we must understand scripture. You are SO HEAVY on bible study almost to the exclusion of the Spirit. Surely the new life is BECAUSE OF the new Spirit with which we are now filled? Is this one of the drawbacks of Pentecostalism that it causes a distortion of the gospel message? Possibly because the Spirit gifts are so emphasised (wrongly) to the exclusion of the MAIN FUNCTION of “The Spirit” which is to GIVE US LIFE and then by this inner life WE ARE ABLE TO GIVE LIFE TO OTHERS? as well as maintain it in ourselves?

This “business” about the emphasis on the study of scripture is what gives rise to many a cult or sect heresy about the Spirit, where they also deny the importance, the central place of the Living Spirit THAT JESUS IS and HAS in us. They also deny Him by explaining His presence as being only that which is a result of bible study, and not His supernatural place in our hearts minds and bodies.

It is the Spirit that gives us life, not bible knowledge, not the written word, valuable though it may be. And the Spirit does not come from the written word, but rather the written word came from the Spirit. Unless it be a living word from the Spirit. To build religions on bible  knowledge alone is to exclude the Living God from input to us directly. Is to exclude a direct relationship and to replace it with many written words which are subject to misinterpretation, mistranslation and manipulation.

Anything that takes the place of the living Spirit of God is IDOLATRY.

[You study the scriptures because in them you think you have eternal life, but it is they which testify OF ME.][We will come to him and make our home with him][That where I am you may be also]

The story of this “gay” man reveals the non-necessity for bible knowledge/study   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y24l9gX1Bc

YOU DON’T HAVE TO TRY TO BE CHILDREN OF GOD [1064a]

Many people are TRYING to be children of God, and many groups assist this wrongness of thinking because it is to their personal advantage to promulgate the gospel in such a way.

We don’t have to TRY to be His children, because we ALREADY ARE His children, and it is the TRYING that He loathes. For thousands of years He has been TRYING to get the message across that we belong to HIM. In the last days He sent His Son to speak to us to clarify the situation and to give us an understanding of the truth that WE ARE HIS [creation] and we are His children, some naughtier than others, but the main thing is for us to own His ownership of us instead of denying it and HIM.

It is the denying of His ownership [parentage] of us that denies us our birthright of eternal life with Him. When we surrender our self ownership to Him, we cease to be the “naughty” children, and become instead, the “nice” children. The difference though is that of life and death. If we continue to try and run our own lives, we continue to run them into destruction. If we allow HIM to run them, His supernatural presence will control and guide us in HIS ways of loving forgiveness that will mean life for all. For those around us and all those we come in contact with, just like Jesus did.

You ARE a child of God, but you can continue to deny it BY your “trying” to be one. Accept that you are His. He has now “bought” you with the life of His Son. He has purchased you with the ‘blood of the lamb’, a costly self sacrifice to bring life to all who will ACCEPT it and Him along with it. Life is a gift, we have to accept it (Him) as a child, with Him being our Father. We are already His children.

[“What must we do, to do the work of God?” “This is the work of God, to BELIEVE in the one whom He has sent“]

YOU DON’T HAVE TO TRY TO BE CHILDREN OF GOD [1064]

Many people are TRYING to be children of God, and many groups assist this wrongness of thinking because it is to their personal advantage to promulgate the gospel in such a way.

We don’t have to TRY to be His children, because we ALREADY ARE His children, and it is the TRYING that He loathes. For thousands of years He has been TRYING to get the message across that we belong to HIM. In the last days He sent His Son to speak to us to clarify the situation and to give us an understanding of the truth that WE ARE HIS [creation] and we are His children, some naughtier than others, but the main thing is for us to own His ownership of us instead of denying it and HIM.

It is the denying of His ownership [parentage] of us that denies us our birthright of eternal life with Him. When we surrender our self ownership to Him, we cease to be the “naughty” children, and become instead, the “nice” children. The difference though is that of life and death. If we continue to try and run our own lives, we continue to run them into destruction. If we allow HIM to run them, His supernatural presence will control and guide us in HIS ways of loving forgiveness that will mean life for all. For those around us and all those we come in contact with, just like Jesus did.

You ARE a child of God, but you can continue to deny it BY your “trying” to be one. Accept that you are His. He has now “bought” you with the life of His Son. He has purchased you with the ‘blood of the lamb’, a costly self sacrifice to bring life to all who will ACCEPT it and Him along with it. Life is a gift, we have to accept it (Him) as a child, with Him being our Father. We are already His children.

[“What must we do, to do the work of God?” “This is the work of God, to BELIEVE in the one whom He has sent“]

CULTS AND SECTS – World Wide Church of God, Herbert Armstrong [706a]

This is/was a very bad cult which managed to destroy many lives. [It has re-emerged in a new form under another name, something like new church of God*]. It is extremely legalistic and there is much on the web about them, posted by ex members who provide quite an expose’ of this group. It is difficult for ex members of this group to obtain release from the indoctrination that amounts, as always, to brain washing. Sometimes a lot of psychological help has to be obtained to gain relief from the aftermath of this, and other cults.

The problems with these groups always seem to result from the wrong view of atonement, although I am not sure of the specifics of this one, or the Mormons for that matter. But whenever the wrong view of atonement is taught, there emerges all kind of legalisms – That is, that the freedom the gospel delivers is hidden behind legalistic  requirements which only serve to maintain religious slavery which is similar to Judaistic principles. Whereas the gospel preaches release from law, these groups create their own laws [they are without excuse] as well as twisting the existing scriptures to suit themselves. Often there is an emphasis on prophesy [futuristic] as a way of postulating their supposed authority.

Where the correct view of the atonement appears to be present (seems unlikely) then other reasons must be sought for it. The thing about having the correct view of course, is that it results in the freedom which the gospel was meant to bring, so if freedom is replaced by legalisms, you can immediately be very suspicious about what is going on. The freedom that the Spirit brings is unmistakable and normally excludes the possibility of such errors occurring.

This is a link or links to other web pages which may help to reveal the character of these groups.    http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/exwcg/

“The painful Truth”   https://hwarmstrong.com/grown.htm

*[possibly “Grace Communion International”?]   SEE posts 706 and 240 plus others

“Recovering from Armstrongism”      http://www.ukapologetics.net/08/ARM/1/index.htm

A GOOD EXAMPLE OF PRESENT DAY DECEPTION [1038a]

I was looking at material from the “United Church of God” and found all the usual trappings of those deeply ensnared in legalism, far from the freedom to be found in Christ, far from the Spirit and from love, and reminiscent of all those groups such as Jehovah’s Witnesses, the old World wide Church of God, Christadelphians, and all the Unitarianism and law backed pseudo Jewish Torah observant people in all the various forms they come in.

Not particularly wanting to promote these subversive ideas by advertising them, but if you are brave (or foolish) enough you could take a peek at “Satan’s” current antichrist manifestations in the world today.  https://www.ucg.org/tags/gods-law-1

[I say in advance that any comments on this post will not be published]

A GOOD EXAMPLE OF PRESENT DAY DECEPTION [1038]

I was looking at material from the “United Church of God” and found all the usual trappings of those deeply ensnared in legalism, far from the freedom to be found in Christ, far from the Spirit and from love, and reminiscent of all those groups such as Jehovah’s Witnesses, the old World wide Church of God, Christadelphians, and all the Unitarianism and law backed pseudo Jewish Torah observant people in all the various forms they come in.

Not particularly wanting to promote these subversive ideas by advertising them, but if you are brave (or foolish) enough you could take a peek at “Satan’s” current antichrist manifestations in the world today.  https://www.ucg.org/tags/gods-law-1

[I say in advance that any comments on this post will not be published]