YOU DON’T HAVE TO TRY TO BE CHILDREN OF GOD [1064a]

Many people are TRYING to be children of God, and many groups assist this wrongness of thinking because it is to their personal advantage to promulgate the gospel in such a way.

We don’t have to TRY to be His children, because we ALREADY ARE His children, and it is the TRYING that He loathes. For thousands of years He has been TRYING to get the message across that we belong to HIM. In the last days He sent His Son to speak to us to clarify the situation and to give us an understanding of the truth that WE ARE HIS [creation] and we are His children, some naughtier than others, but the main thing is for us to own His ownership of us instead of denying it and HIM.

It is the denying of His ownership [parentage] of us that denies us our birthright of eternal life with Him. When we surrender our self ownership to Him, we cease to be the “naughty” children, and become instead, the “nice” children. The difference though is that of life and death. If we continue to try and run our own lives, we continue to run them into destruction. If we allow HIM to run them, His supernatural presence will control and guide us in HIS ways of loving forgiveness that will mean life for all. For those around us and all those we come in contact with, just like Jesus did.

You ARE a child of God, but you can continue to deny it BY your “trying” to be one. Accept that you are His. He has now “bought” you with the life of His Son. He has purchased you with the ‘blood of the lamb’, a costly self sacrifice to bring life to all who will ACCEPT it and Him along with it. Life is a gift, we have to accept it (Him) as a child, with Him being our Father. We are already His children.

[“What must we do, to do the work of God?” “This is the work of God, to BELIEVE in the one whom He has sent“]

YOU DON’T HAVE TO TRY TO BE CHILDREN OF GOD [1064]

Many people are TRYING to be children of God, and many groups assist this wrongness of thinking because it is to their personal advantage to promulgate the gospel in such a way.

We don’t have to TRY to be His children, because we ALREADY ARE His children, and it is the TRYING that He loathes. For thousands of years He has been TRYING to get the message across that we belong to HIM. In the last days He sent His Son to speak to us to clarify the situation and to give us an understanding of the truth that WE ARE HIS [creation] and we are His children, some naughtier than others, but the main thing is for us to own His ownership of us instead of denying it and HIM.

It is the denying of His ownership [parentage] of us that denies us our birthright of eternal life with Him. When we surrender our self ownership to Him, we cease to be the “naughty” children, and become instead, the “nice” children. The difference though is that of life and death. If we continue to try and run our own lives, we continue to run them into destruction. If we allow HIM to run them, His supernatural presence will control and guide us in HIS ways of loving forgiveness that will mean life for all. For those around us and all those we come in contact with, just like Jesus did.

You ARE a child of God, but you can continue to deny it BY your “trying” to be one. Accept that you are His. He has now “bought” you with the life of His Son. He has purchased you with the ‘blood of the lamb’, a costly self sacrifice to bring life to all who will ACCEPT it and Him along with it. Life is a gift, we have to accept it (Him) as a child, with Him being our Father. We are already His children.

[“What must we do, to do the work of God?” “This is the work of God, to BELIEVE in the one whom He has sent“]

WITHOUT ME YOU CAN DO NOTHING [712]

Jesus is the “ME” in this sentence. So in what sense are we either with him or without him?

There is this problem about whether or not the Spirit gifts are still continuing today, but further to this are those who dispute the commonly accepted belief that Christians possess the Holy Spirit, at all.

The whole point of becoming a Christian is to return you to God, to put you in touch with His Spirit which is He himself, to be guided and grown into that image of his children, as intended.

If you disbelieve that you do “inherit” God’s Spirit, then you do not have this guidance directly from God, you actually destroy the very thing by which you were intended to gain eternal life. JESUS IS THAT ETERNAL LIFE. He himself returns to us as a life giving Spirit.

Make no mistake, God is a supernatural Spirit who yes, has manifested physically through the creation itself, but who manifests from his origin and place of power AS A SUPERNATURAL BEING. If you in your religious belief, deny the supernatural, you are in fact then, denying God himself.

Pentecost was no ordinary phenomenon. It was its very supernatural manifestation that separated it from ordinary events, that was so to speak, its credibility. Jesus manifested supernatural power while on the earth, with healings and other occurrences. Jesus now seeks to manifest on the earth, THROUGH US. We are his body, his hands and his feet. As a living Spirit, he now returns to the earth to multiply himself and to do his works through us.

If we come up with some fancy belief that is simply based on the idea that the supernatural does not exist, that everything has to be explained from a scientific basis, and therefore Jesus is not a living supernatural spirit but rather is just an example for us to follow, along with the scriptures, then we have been totally deceived in the worst possible way.

The very means by which salvation occurs is then withdrawn from availability, because of fixed and firmly stated beliefs, based on man’s intellect and ego, and which directly operates in a faith contradiction of the truth of the reality of God in us. And by this the idea that man can create his own righteousness by that intellect and ego, and thereby rather than being in submission, they are seeking to establish their OWN AUTHORITY in relation to the means by which God communicates with us and changes us.

To deny the operation of the Holy Spirit as the living Jesus returned to live in the hearts of believers, is to deny life itself, is to deny HIM and His salvation. To think there is anything we can do of ourselves to enter into His life, and for that life to enter into us, is pure heresy and damnation.

The ME that Jesus is, is the one who removed all obstacles from our path so we could be reconciled to a being of love who never ever holds anything against us and by whom we grow against all opposition, because he has totally dealt with that opposition.

Self righteousness is a continuation of the ego that drove the Pharisees to their own extinction, and which still does the same thing today with those who insist on refusing to hand over the reins of their lives to the one Eternal Father, acting through the eternal son, relying on day to day and from moment to moment, supernatural connection with the love of God through His indwelling Spirit in the form of his Son.

To not be reliant on his supernatural guidance, is to be reliant on your OWN guidance, as you think you have interpreted correctly through scripture, but the written word can never replace the presence of the living Son by His living Spirit. If your little group operates on exclusivity of others based on your particular breed of doctrine, then YOU ARE WITHOUT HIM AND CAN DO NOTHING.

[You can do nothing means nothing of lasting good, nothing of eternal value, but plenty by which to harm people and the work of the kingdom of God][It appears there are some groups who call themselves Christians, but who are little more than a front for Judaism]

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WHAT IS THE REAL PROBLEM WITH SECTS? [507]

It comes back to the denial of what God has done in Christ, that he dealt with the issue of sin and death, the “fall”, once and for all, for all time. They specifically deny that Jesus TOOK AWAY OUR SINS, by bearing them in his own body. They deny also, the personal intrusion of God into our lives, into our very being.

They are therefore, devoid of “The comforter”, devoid of the personal Spirit who indwells and guides at a personal level. “Led by the Spirit” to them is impersonal and cold. meaning more like “led by our religion”.

Because they do not understand how/that/why God removed their sins in Christ, they follow systems they generate into religions that require adherence to the strictness of their doctrines, not being aware or conscious of the fact that all sin and death for all time, (even FROM all time) along with the harshness of law and condemnation, guilt, have been banished from any place of authority over us .

This means they have to “Try” to be righteous. They, by following their own religious tenants and rules, seek to establish their own righteousness. All this does is to increase the inner stress of knowing that you are unrighteous. The gospel becomes a new set of laws, hundreds of commandments they attempt to fulfil within themselves. They “Try” to be “Christ-like”, to emulate his righteousness, and indeed to DO what he did.

The problem is, not that they TRY to be like Christ, or to do what he did (which in the fullness of it is impossible) but that they do it to ACQUIRE their salvation, instead of doing it BECAUSE of their salvation. As I said elsewhere, I know of many marriages amongst these groups that have simply exploded from within due to the inner stresses caused by trying to develop their own salvation. The love, UNCONDITIONAL forgiveness and grace and mercy are foreign to them, even though those words may be embodied in their “religion” they are meaningless, as the fruit of it all ultimately reveals.

WHY xxxxxx BELIEVE THE LIE [245b]

Having finally gotten around to a conclusion on xxxxxx, I looked at one of the forums by disgruntled ex members, many of whom are now vehement and vocal atheists, and looked to responding to one of the posts, but which attempt failed. But here is what I had written.

“Not much point in commenting on atheism because xxxxxx were atheists even before they left xxxxxx. They were never given the opportunity to acquaint themselves with the real truth,  [the real Spirit] because xxxxxx is, and always has been, a lie.”

In subsequently talking with an ex xxxxxx, he asked why was it that they seemed to get it so right, yet failed when it came to the most important thing of all, the cross. I said I didn’t know, but later on it all seemed to fit into place.

It is because the truth of the cross would destroy the intellectualism, the Ego, the flesh, (the lie) that is the whole basis of their theology. THE CROSS DESTROYS THE ORIGINAL LIE ABOUT GOD’S CHARACTER.    [and reveals His true nature].

xxxxxx then, has become the champion of the lie, and their other doctrines become just a smokescreen, good though some appear to be. I guess here lies the real revealed evil of the nature of deceit, and the real heart of man’s inherent corruption, in using truth mixed with lie, which is exactly what occurred in Eden’s garden.

From my notes. “The best deceit is that which contains some truth, which was the original mechanism involved in the “serpent’s” accusation.”

The cross is designed to bring about the destruction of intellectualism, which is in the flesh, which is the Ego, which is THE LIE that God is not enough, is insufficient. (That the Spirit is insufficient).

And the first of the dot point notes read…1/ Where then is boasting? 2/ The cross is meant to DESTROY THE FLESH. 3/ destroy the EGO. 4/ And bring all men down to a common denominator. 5/ That they might be lifted up.  [all lifted up EQUALLY, not some over others].

So there is much scripture and information that can be added to this in terms of “not many wise…” etc, and that the cross is meant to be taken at “face value”, even though there is, I believe, an appropriate understanding of the cross. (But not the xxxxxx one).

[ you enter at the foot of the cross, looking up. ]

MORE. There is hopefully much more to come on this, since it is the heart of the gospel, and it is important to see why and how it becomes error. The issue appears to be that the understanding of the cross is distorted by the ego so that it is altered in its intended meaning. The fact that they deny the continuance of the Spirit’s effects, deny the influence of it (Him) in the Christian’s life in the way that “normal” Christians see it, and pronounce it to be only the “power” of God, instead of the presence of God; all contributes to their denial that God has totally dealt with sin in such a way as to remove us from its power.

The cross is “foolishness”, and it appears that in the quest for ego and intellectual supremacy by which to accuse all other Christians of “foolishness”, they find it necessary to distort the meaning of the cross, and thereby destroy its power.

It could not be more black and white. Christians believe that, through Jesus, God has taken upon himself the penalty of sin, so that we might take on His life. The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. This is speaking of the law of sin and death, this law which Jesus brought to nought by absorbing its reality within His body. That He brought to nought by becoming a life giving Spirit, to be given to men as a free gift.

xxxxxx believe that Jesus saved himself (saved meaning saved from his body of death) and that He simply set an example for men to follow. So they deny the power of the indwelling Spirit whose authority was dispensed at Pentecost BY WHICH men now undergo transformation, and they deny that Jesus took their sin, so they are left only with the obligation to now “perform” in a righteous manner and gradually by their understanding of scripture, be conformed to the given standard as interpreted by their doctrines.

They live under conditional forgiveness which has to be earned by their performance of the aforesaid righteousness. Now this is a classical  case of self righteousness, of attempting to “pull themselves up by the bootlaces” WITHOUT ASSURANCE OF FORGIVENESS. This of course removes the whole power of the gospel to remove sin, and throws them on their own resources, which inevitably fail. It puts so much pressure on individuals and family structures that down the track, they fall apart. The inevitable Romans 7 powerlessness that is through the flesh, the ego, is not altered, just dressed up in fine religious jargon that seeks to elevate themselves above all others (typical cult/sect behaviour).

They pride themselves on being spiritual jews, and their doctrines might as well be Jewish, for they deny the Christ of the gospel, and replace Him with another. In fact, they re-crucify Him, according to Paul’s words.

[ http://www.caic.org.au/biblebase/chrsdels/chdelph2.htm ]

[ https://gotquestions.org/xxxxxx.html ]

[ https://beyondthexxxxxx.wordpress.com ]

[Where the cross is meant to destroy the ego, xxxxxx builds it up.]

Armstrongism [ http://hwarmstrong.com/grown.htm#new11_20_2014 ] This is an eye opener on legalism.

Ego – [ http://www.desiringgod.org/messages/is-there-christian-eloquence-clear-words-and-the-wonder-of-the-cross) ]

[ http://www.yhwh.com/Cross/cross14.htm ] Be careful with this one.

Added Notes. – These are some things that indicate a problem with a group or individual. – Any group that use special names for themselves or for God or Jesus. (EG yhwh, Yashua, Jehovah). Any group who claim they are the exclusive ones. Any group who claim that only one version of the bible is correct (EG KJV). Any group who deny Jesus took the penalty for sin for us and that His sacrifice was for all sin for all time. Any group who deny that righteousness comes by faith in Jesus death. Any group who insist on tongues as a sign of the Spirit. An early “litmus test” is where people wrongly claim that Paul’s description of himself in Romans 7 is of him as a Christian, as they are usually locked into legalism and retention of the law. Any group who retain the law. Any who won’t keep Christmas Easter or birthdays.

Anyone leaving any of these groups is strongly advised to seek professional psychological counseling.

 

 

WHY xxxxxx BELIEVE THE LIE [245]

Having finally gotten around to a conclusion on xxxxxx, I looked at one of the forums by disgruntled ex members, many of whom are now vehement and vocal atheists, and looked to responding to one of the posts, but which attempt failed. But here is what I had written.

“Not much point in commenting on atheism because xxxxxx were atheists even before they left cxxxxxx. They were never given the opportunity to acquaint themselves with the real truth,  [the real Spirit] because xxxxxx is, and always has been, a lie.”

In subsequently talking with an ex xxxxxx, he asked why was it that they seemed to get it so right, yet failed when it came to the most important thing of all, the cross. I said I didn’t know, but later on it all seemed to fit into place.

It is because the truth of the cross would destroy the intellectualism, the Ego, the flesh, (the lie) that is the whole basis of their theology. THE CROSS DESTROYS THE ORIGINAL LIE ABOUT GOD’S CHARACTER.    [and reveals His true nature].

xxxxxx then, has become the champion of the lie, and their other doctrines become just a smokescreen, good though some appear to be. I guess here lies the real revealed evil of the nature of deceit, and the real heart of man’s inherent corruption, in using truth mixed with lie, which is exactly what occurred in Eden’s garden.

From my notes. “The best deceit is that which contains some truth, which was the original mechanism involved in the “serpent’s” accusation”.

The cross is designed to bring about the destruction of intellectualism, which is in the flesh, which is the Ego, which is THE LIE that God is not enough, is insufficient. (That the Spirit is insufficient).

And the first of the dot point notes read…1/ Where then is boasting? 2/ The cross is meant to DESTROY THE FLESH. 3/ destroy the EGO. 4/ And bring all men down to a common denominator. 5/ That they might be lifted up.  [all lifted up EQUALLY, not some over others].

So there is much scripture and information that can be added to this in terms of “not many wise…” etc, and that the cross is meant to be taken at “face value”, even though there is, I believe, an appropriate understanding of the cross. (But not the xxxxxx one).

[ you enter at the foot of the cross, looking up. ]

MORE. There is hopefully much more to come on this, since it is the heart of the gospel, and it is important to see why and how it becomes error. The issue appears to be that the understanding of the cross is distorted by the ego so that it is altered in its intended meaning. The fact that they deny the continuance of the Spirit’s effects, deny the influence of it (Him) in the Christian’s life in the way that “normal” Christians see it, and pronounce it to be only the “power” of God, instead of the presence of God; all contributes to their denial that God has totally dealt with sin in such a way as to remove us from its power.

The cross is “foolishness”, and it appears that in the quest for ego and intellectual supremacy by which to accuse all other Christians of “foolishness”, they find it necessary to distort the meaning of the cross, and thereby destroy its power.

It could not be more black and white. Christians believe that, through Jesus, God has taken upon himself the penalty of sin, so that we might take on His life. The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. This is speaking of the law of sin and death, this law which Jesus brought to nought by absorbing its reality within His body. That He brought to nought by becoming a life giving Spirit, to be given to men as a free gift.

xxxxxx believe that Jesus saved himself (saved meaning saved from his body of death) and that He simply set an example for men to follow. So they deny the power of the indwelling Spirit whose authority was dispensed at Pentecost BY WHICH men now undergo transformation, and they deny that Jesus took their sin, so they are left only with the obligation to now “perform” in a righteous manner and gradually by their understanding of scripture, be conformed to the given standard as interpreted by their doctrines.

They live under conditional forgiveness which has to be earned by their performance of the aforesaid righteousness. Now this is a classical  case of self righteousness, of attempting to “pull themselves up by the bootlaces” WITHOUT ASSURANCE OF FORGIVENESS. This of course removes the whole power of the gospel to remove sin, and throws them on their own resources, which inevitably fail. It puts so much pressure on individuals and family structures that down the track, they fall apart. The inevitable Romans 7 powerlessness that is through the flesh, the ego, is not altered, just dressed up in fine religious jargon that seeks to elevate themselves above all others (typical cult/sect behaviour).

They pride themselves on being spiritual jews, and their doctrines might as well be Jewish, for they deny the Christ of the gospel, and replace Him with another. In fact, they re-crucify Him, according to Paul’s words.

[ http://www.caic.org.au/biblebase/chrsdels/chdelph2.htm ]   Now changed to

https://web.archive.org/web/20170628144040/http://www.culthelp.info

[ https://gotquestions.org/christadelphianism.html ]

[ https://beyondthechristadelphians.wordpress.com ]

[Where the cross is meant to destroy the ego, xxxxxx builds it up. ]

Armstrongism [   http://hwarmstrong.com/grown.htm#new11_20_2014   %5D  This is an eye opener on legalism.

Ego – [ http://www.yhwh.com/Cross/cross14.htm ] Be careful with this one.

Added notes – There are some things that indicate a problem with a group or individual. – Any group that use special names for themselves or for God or Jesus. (EG yhwh, Yashua, Jehovah). Any group who claim they are the exclusive ones. Any group who claim that only one version of the bible is correct (EG KJV). Any group who deny Jesus took the penalty of sin for us and that His sacrifice was for all sin for all time. Any group who deny that righteousness comes by faith in Jesus death. Any group who insist on tongues as a sign of the Spirit. An early “litmus test” is where people wrongly claim that Paul’s description of himself in Romans 7 is of him as a Christian, as they are usually locked into legalism and retention of the law. Any group who retain the law. Any who won’t keep Christmas, Easter or birthdays.

Anyone who has left these groups is strongly advised to seek psychological professional counseling.

Cxxxxxx Ccult Csect Carmstrong