YOU ARE FORGIVEN [347c]

You don’t have to scrape and bow and try to become worthy of forgiveness. You are already sons and daughters of the living God, and he has provided your forgiveness so you will be drawn to him, because he has done something to attract your attention.

Religion says you must do something or believe a set of beliefs or ritualistically cleanse yourself to even become worthy of forgiveness. Kind of defeats the whole point of it? You can do nothing to earn or merit or attract forgiveness or otherwise it would not be forgiveness.

Forgiveness starts with the recognition of the need for it. That without forgiveness there is no way to change the status quo of our inadequacy and deficient makeup, of being. If God is love and truth then that love and truth already exists without human aid to sustain it or even to prove it.

We readily accept that we are in far less than the desired position, unless we are unusually mentally deficient. Right and wrong, good and bad are observably considered as comparative, regardless of the mean or average standard of our personal experience of such.

But there has been given an absolute standard, which is one where there is no deficiency and no lack of provision of what is good and right, while what is wrong and bad is notably absent from the scene altogether. What draws us to this is that we sense our own identity is tied up in what we ultimately believe.

Any rituals or structures which are presented to us as a religious necessity to gain acceptance for forgiveness are not absolutes, but are only to be considered as tools or helps for us to gain understanding, and are there to bend our thinking towards that which God desires for us.

At stake is our very identity, and our consciousness of it. This is what materialises as we draw near to God through the sacrificial offering that has been made of and through the ultimate righteousness available, Jesus. As we accept forgiveness of our past and project our thinking forward into the future, we become receptive to the Spirit of God in the form of the risen Jesus who comes to help us in our acceptance of him.

As we, by this Spirit, begin to comprehend the nature of Christ and that we are now joined to Him and are participant in his nature, we become aware of our true identity as a son of God, and that our true self lies in His true self – that His true self is actually our true self as it was created to be. When we begin to apprehend the reality of our deficient (sinful) nature having been removed by the mercy of God, we begin to comprehend who we really are, in Him.

As Jesus said, that they might have life and have it more abundantly. In other words, the real, true life and identity that was intended from the beginning. We are not wiped out by “denying ourself”, we are established in identity the more fully, when we realise that our identity is the same as his, we are family, and we recognise our own individual selves as individuals who are loved by Him, and are thereby established in our own right and identity as a worthy child, known by name.

When we discover our identity as a child of God, we finally become who we were intended to be all along. As children of (the) righteousness, we have all things at our disposal, there is nothing that can hurt us, we are at one with Him. Rather than have lost our identity, we have found it*.

Forgiveness is free because love is freely given. There are no conditions to this love, you either believe it exists for you or you don’t. This love has wiped out your past, and the past of all people, so they can apprehend His present and so secure their future. His love has wiped out your past so you might dwell in its, his, present presence. This love continually cleanses you. You become the real you instead of the false you. You have moved beyond the physical realm and into that which is immersed in the spiritual, whose reality far exceeds earthly ones.

[Just as the law as an inferior structure came into fullness through love, so do we, as those who failed and ran foul of the law, do become the product of the reversal of our death state, and appreciators of the righteousness (and its identity) we have been given]

*[Matt 10-39][he that loses his life will find it]

CHRISTIAN POWER AND THE ABSENCE OF IT [1476a]

THE ANTITHESIS OF ROMANS 7 – MORAL POWER REGAINED.

This is a simple subject. Jesus said “without me you can do nothing”. This statement is returned to us in Romans 7 where Paul laments that “the good I would do I cannot do”. This is because he is representing the position of one without Jesus, he is representing himself as one of Adam’s race without the redemption that Christ brings.

It is not the good “I would do” that is important, it is the good He can do in us and through us that is so. I live, yet not I, but Christ lives in me. I died, and the life I now live I live through faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave Himself for me.

Jesus said that He did only what the Father showed Him. We now are to be those who speak and act in accordance with that which the Spirit shows us. Jesus now lives in us by means of His returned Spirit, as evidenced at Pentecost. Paul said his will was powerless, it was not until he gained Christ (on the Damascus road) that he was empowered to do God’s will instead of his own. “Thy will be done”.

Unless we are prepared to go forward in His Spirit, putting ourselves and our own self interest ‘to death’, we will never be empowered to do anything that serves His purpose, we will be unable to think, speak or act in a way that truly serves Him. Faith is instrumental in empowering us. But it is Him in us and His kingdom we are constructing, not anything of ourselves.

Jesus in us does what Jesus would do, not what I, me, or we or us would do, and cannot do until we possess Him and He us. Without him we cannot ‘die to self’, we cannot be reborn OF Him, we can only do NOTHING. But I can do all things through His Spirit who indwells me. Paul said “It is not I, but sin which indwells me” [IN THE FLESH]. We are to say, “It is not I, but Christ who indwells me” [IN THE SPIRIT].

[Romans 8-9 “However you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you..”]

CHRISTIAN POWER AND THE ABSENCE OF IT [1476]

THE ANTITHESIS OF ROMANS 7 – MORAL POWER REGAINED.

This is a simple subject. Jesus said “without me you can do nothing”. This statement is returned to us in Romans 7 where Paul laments that “the good I would do I cannot do”. This is because he is representing the position of one without Jesus, he is representing himself as one of Adam’s race without the redemption that Christ brings.

It is not the good “I would do” that is important, it is the good He can do in us and through us that is so. I live, yet not I, but Christ lives in me. I died, and the life I now live I live through faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave Himself for me.

Jesus said that He did only what the Father showed Him. We now are to be those who speak and act in accordance with that which the Spirit shows us. Jesus now lives in us by means of His returned Spirit, as evidenced at Pentecost. Paul said his will was powerless, it was not until he gained Christ (on the Damascus road) that he was empowered to do God’s will instead of his own. “Thy will be done”.

Unless we are prepared to go forward in His Spirit, putting ourselves and our own self interest ‘to death’, we will never be empowered to do anything that serves His purpose, we will be unable to think, speak or act in a way that truly serves Him. Faith is instrumental in empowering us. But it is Him in us and His kingdom we are constructing, not anything of ourselves.

Jesus in us does what Jesus would do, not what I, me, or we or us would do, and cannot do until we possess Him and He us. Without him we cannot ‘die to self’, we cannot be reborn OF Him, we can only do NOTHING. But I can do all things through His Spirit who indwells me. Paul said “It is not I, but sin which indwells me” [IN THE FLESH]. We are to say, “It is not I, but Christ who indwells me” [IN THE SPIRIT].

[Romans 8-9 “However you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you..”]

WHO IS I [1460a]

In recent posts, the subject of identity seems to be a factor. Without mentioning the dreaded chapter number again, it appears that the use of Paul’s “I” may be very important.

“Sin in ME”. “Who will free ME”. “The good “I” would do. Then there is “MY MIND” and “MY FLESH. “Evil is present in ME”.

So being described are “parts” of whoever “Paul” is, and Paul ‘himself’ “I MYSELF” which is his identity.

“It is not “I”, but SIN.

Then we have “THAT IS, in my flesh”. And overall, it is called “the BODY of death”.

So the evil that is “in his MEMBERS” (of his body), which is part of his ‘flesh’, as is also “his mind”; is due to him malfunctioning from birth and manhood in a manner as depicts separation from God, the Adamic downfall.

So Paul is considered to be “I” and “ME”, which is his identity, and the rest of it is his “flesh” natural human nature, flesh and blood, and the characteristics thereof. Even his MIND is not considered a part of him, [of his identity] BECAUSE he says “I WITH my mind”. [And I with my flesh].

A key consideration is that ‘he’ can WILL with “his mind”, but his mind is sabotaged by other elements of his ‘flesh’ so that his will, what he WILLS or PURPOSES to do, is useless against it.

So the upshot of it all is that he as an entity finds himself to be deficient in the area of morality, of spiritual integrity, but only as he has defined, “In my flesh” or human component. [under law]

THEREFORE the dreaded quantity of “I”‘s mentioned all shows that he is operating out of his natural state, out of his “flesh”. And what we can see of it tells us that there are two states of being, one is that of being “IN” the ‘flesh’ and the other that of being “IN” the Spirit, that “I” can either be placed in the flesh or in the Spirit. [you are not in the flesh if the Spirit is in you]. Plainly Paul here is in the flesh.

And the “I” indicates that it is him alone and nobody else involved.

So the “I” is our identity, the question remains, where is it? Just where have “I” placed “ME” in the scheme of things?

Now we understand that in baptism into Christ, “I” DIED. The “I” that is me, is my identity (or his) has DIED WITH CHRIST. So me, I, am DEAD ‘in the natural’, I and me and my body “of death” all DIED with Jesus. Then we ROSE with Him, and are now to be found IN HIM.

Scripture says that “I live, yet NOT “I”, BUT CHRIST LIVES IN ME. So we have moved into the “I-dentity” of Christ. Hence we are either in Christ, in the SPIRIT, or “IN” the FLESH. [or He is in me, or NOT]

It follows that all those “I’s” that Paul was owning, was the “I” that was supposed to have died with Jesus, so He was in the flesh and not in the Spirit. [so what is described, is the “works of the flesh”.]

[For if you are living according to the flesh you must die, but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live][Spirit cannot live in “flesh” (human nature), though it (He) may live in your body][the two ‘laws’ that apply are that of his mind and that of his flesh, but the ‘law’ of his mind loses out to the ‘law’ of his flesh][until 8-2]

WHO IS I [1460]

In recent posts, the subject of identity seems to be a factor. Without mentioning the dreaded chapter number again, it appears that the use of Paul’s “I” may be very important.

“Sin in ME”. “Who will free ME”. “The good “I” would do. Then there is “MY MIND” and “MY FLESH. “Evil is present in ME”.

So being described are “parts” of whoever “Paul” is, and Paul ‘himself’ “I MYSELF” which is his identity.

“It is not “I”, but SIN.

Then we have “THAT IS, in my flesh”. And overall, it is called “the BODY of death”.

So the evil that is “in his MEMBERS” (of his body), which is part of his ‘flesh’, as is also “his mind”; is due to him malfunctioning from birth and manhood in a manner as depicts separation from God, the Adamic downfall.

So Paul is considered to be “I” and “ME”, which is his identity, and the rest of it is his “flesh” natural human nature, flesh and blood, and the characteristics thereof. Even his MIND is not considered a part of him, [of his identity] BECAUSE he says “I WITH my mind”. [And I with my flesh].

A key consideration is that ‘he’ can WILL with “his mind”, but his mind is sabotaged by other elements of his ‘flesh’ so that his will, what he WILLS or PURPOSES to do, is useless against it.

So the upshot of it all is that he as an entity finds himself to be deficient in the area of morality, of spiritual integrity, but only as he has defined, “In my flesh” or human component. [under law]

THEREFORE the dreaded quantity of “I”‘s mentioned all shows that he is operating out of his natural state, out of his “flesh”. And what we can see of it tells us that there are two states of being, one is that of being “IN” the ‘flesh’ and the other that of being “IN” the Spirit, that “I” can either be placed in the flesh or in the Spirit. [you are not in the flesh if the Spirit is in you]. Plainly Paul here is in the flesh.

And the “I” indicates that it is him alone and nobody else involved.

So the “I” is our identity, the question remains, where is it? Just where have “I” placed “ME” in the scheme of things?

Now we understand that in baptism into Christ, “I” DIED. The “I” that is me, is my identity (or his) has DIED WITH CHRIST. So me, I, am DEAD ‘in the natural’, I and me and my body “of death” all DIED with Jesus. Then we ROSE with Him, and are now to be found IN HIM.

Scripture says that “I live, yet NOT “I”, BUT CHRIST LIVES IN ME. So we have moved into the “I-dentity” of Christ. Hence we are either in Christ, in the SPIRIT, or “IN” the FLESH. [or He is in me, or NOT]

It follows that all those “I’s” that Paul was owning, was the “I” that was supposed to have died with Jesus, so He was in the flesh and not in the Spirit. [so what is described, is the “works of the flesh”.]

[For if you are living according to the flesh you must die, but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live][Spirit cannot live in “flesh” (human nature), though it (He) may live in your body][the two ‘laws’ that apply are that of his mind and that of his flesh, but the ‘law’ of his mind loses out to the ‘law’ of his flesh][until 8-2]

WHAT ARE THE SCRIPTURAL INDICATIONS OF CHRISTIANS FAILING TO PERFORM? [1444]

So now we have to broadly look at the pastoral letters or similar which tend to show that Christians are failing to represent their faith. Failings seem to have occurred with the Corinthians and Galatians as prime examples, and admonishments of the various churches may be seen in Revelation.

What are the reasons for such failure, and is it “terminal”, is it non recoverable death, or indeed even spiritual death perse?

If we were to accept the WRONG view of Romans 7, we might be persuaded to believe that failure was common in believers, but I think that in those who truly have believed in the first place, that large degrees of failure cannot be proven. From Romans 7, we would be led to believe that Paul, and therefore all he represents (all Christians)(and here perhaps specifically the ‘Romans’) are immensely prone and subject to overwhelming weakness, continually torn between righteousness and unrighteousness.

Galatians have fallen into the same trap that Paul (according to the wrong view) is supposedly representing in R7, and for the same reason, being they have not gotten clear of LAW. (Paul in fact was not speaking as a believer but as one STILL under law). You cannot be a subject of GRACE while you are still bound in any way at all, by LAW. They are two different realities altogether. [the realities of life and death]

The Corinthians had become carried away with all that came with the early day inauguration of the new era, the new covenant, in the form of the manifestations of the power gifts of the Spirit, they had lost sight of, or maybe never properly had sight of, the blessings of the Spirit life through simple faith in the true meaning and benefits of their redemption in Christ.

They were arguing about which of their groups as represented by which of their teachers, were of higher status than the others. Sounds like modern day denominational differences but on a more primitive level. Immaturity probably sums them up, a lack of stability (possibly because of the heightening of emotional spiritual experiences to do with a lopsided emphasis on the supernatural Spirit gifts) as is also still seen in places today.

The Galatians on the other hand, were being led astray by those wanting the ‘comfort’ of the disciplines of the old Mosaic law. They missed the rituals and ‘spiritual’ observances of what they had before, and to some extent, probably continued to include in their meetings. But such was the extent of the error they were being warned against, that even circumcision was actively being considered, if not performed*, in their belief system.

Such were some of the problems in the ‘early’ church. But they were being educated by their teachers, in this case Paul, to clean up their act and to operate in accordance with “sound doctrine”. Today one would expect there be little excuse for not “getting it right”, although we still have those “pushing the law” on us from many different directions, and there are subtle differences which can be quite important when it comes to solidifying the belief system of anyone, even or perhaps especially, the modern church goer today.

But for those for whom the message is ‘clear cut’, who have seen and accepted their liberation from law sin and death by Jesus having transferred them from death to life, spiritually from their ‘old body’ to His new body, having experienced their release from all ‘bondage’; then the power of the Spirit of that new life, based on ‘the blood of Jesus’, is overwhelmingly in favour of success, not failure. [The main thing, the ‘only’ thing, is to have crossed over from death to life.]

*[Legalistically, such is the non importance of literal circumcision in any way at all, that Paul himself circumcised someone he was about to take into the Jewish temple, so as not to ‘upset’ them, while elsewhere he declared that if anyone allow themselves to be circumcised, they would be cut off from Christ. In another place he declared it to be as nothing, that whether you were or were not, it had no bearing on your spirituality] 

“All things are lawful” (within Christ) and “All things are yours”. REJOICE.

THE MEMBERS (PARTS) OF OUR BODY [1442a]

Described as the “members of our body” are the parts of us that make up our whole body, just like the biblical description of us as individuals being members of Christ’s body.

These parts are described in Romans 7 in such a way as to become a signpost to the truth of the chapter, in the following way.

That 7-5,6, describe the mini conclusion Paul has arrived at, namely, (5) that WHEN we were in the ‘flesh’, death by law was at work in our members (body parts) and our body as a whole. This was the problem. (6) BUT NOW released from (the bondage of) law, we serve in the Spirit, not by law. This is the solution to that problem. [he then goes on to further explain law flesh sin death in the rest of the chapter]

When you see the “members” mentioned, it is in this combination of flesh sin death UNDER LAW. It has NOTHING to do with Spirit. It is all to do with being under the law and the death that this creates. This is why there is no Spirit in R7.

The “members” signify the PROBLEM of spiritual death, of being under law that PROVOKES THESE ‘MEMBERS’ to sin. That it is ALWAYS as a result of being “IN THE FLESH’. [NEVER in the Spirit].  [since these ‘members’ are members of the ‘flesh’.]

Where this problem does NOT occur, ONLY THEN can you find the Spirit. Since the mention of “members” is essentially to do with how sin is implemented as in V23, and verse 5 has described this as being the problem of  “While we were IN THE FLESH”, (the problem) then obviously it is the opposite condition of verse 6 serving in newness of the Spirit (the solution). Therefore R7 is of one IN THE FLESH.

7-6 says “of the Spirit”, but 7-14 says “of flesh”. It is not a big jump from OF the Spirit to IN the Spirit, likewise nor is it a big jump from “OF the flesh” to “IN the flesh”.

So “In the flesh” “under law” will produce sinful passions. Whereas NOT under law, NOT in the flesh, but IN the Spirit, will produce good fruit. Chapter 7 is all about the problem; and the reason why the solution (which does not exist in most of this chapter), is only mentioned at the end AS BEING that solution. [Jesus]. Paul himself said that there was no good in him, that is, IN his FLESH.

Paul here was explaining law flesh sin death to show ‘how and why it works’ and why this old law covenant had to be replaced with the new grace Spirit one. [which Jesus gave HIS flesh for]

R8:9 Those in the flesh cannot please God.  But you are NOT IN THE FLESH, you are IN THE SPIRIT, if the Spirit dwells in you. The description in R7 is of one (Paul), being OF the flesh but in Paul’s case only hypothetically IN that flesh [humanity, body].

So to recap, R7:5 describes the conditions under which the problem of sin occurs (in the members), and this problem and the condition R7:5 describes, is duplicated in 7:23, showing that R7 is the condition before Christianity, of being under law. Conversely, R7 has nothing in common with R7:6, which is the believer’s position.

[7:18 “in my flesh” 7:14 “of flesh” 7-5 “in the flesh”. Paul was of flesh like us all, had the same “no good” in his (“my“) flesh, but never said he was “in” the flesh” other than as a past shared event (v5). His experience as described is a self contained hypothetical one where he explains from his own knowledge and past as well as present experience, the machinations of flesh as provoked into sin when under law.][IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE SOLUTION, (the Spirit), YOU ARE NATURALLY IN THE PROBLEM] (the law). [Paul does not sin, but reveals the potential to sin that lies in the natural (flesh) nature under law, be that  natural or religious law]

[Paul said there was no good in him, which is the opposite to having the good of the Spirit in him, so no wonder he could not ‘perform’][no good in his flesh][do we identify with flesh, or with Jesus, who is the victory over it][Paul, of the flesh, was as one in the flesh].

THE MEMBERS (PARTS) OF OUR BODY [1442]

Described as the “members of our body” are the parts of us that makeup our whole body, just like the biblical description of us as individuals being members of Christ’s body.

These parts are described in Romans 7 in such a way as to become a signpost to the truth of the chapter, in the following way.

That 7-5,6, describe the mini conclusion Paul has arrived at, namely, (5) that WHEN we were in the ‘flesh’, death by law was at work in our members (body parts) and our body as a whole. This was the problem. (6) BUT NOW released from (the bondage of) law, we serve in the Spirit, not by law. This is the solution to that problem. [he then goes on to further explain law flesh sin death in the rest of the chapter]

When you see the “members” mentioned, it is in this combination of flesh sin death UNDER LAW. It has NOTHING to do with Spirit. It is all to do with being under the law and the death that this creates. This is why there is no Spirit in R7.

The “members” signify the PROBLEM of spiritual death, of being under law that PROVOKES THESE ‘MEMBERS’ to sin. That it is ALWAYS as a result of being “IN THE FLESH’. [NEVER in the Spirit].  [since these ‘members’ are members of the ‘flesh’.]

Where this problem does NOT occur, ONLY THEN can you find the Spirit. Since the mention of “members” is essentially to do with how sin is implemented as in V23, and verse 5 has described this as being the problem of  “While we were IN THE FLESH”, (the problem) then obviously it is the opposite condition of verse 6 serving in newness of the Spirit (the solution). Therefore R7 is of one IN THE FLESH.

7-6 says “of the Spirit”, but 7-14 says “of flesh”. It is not a big jump from OF the Spirit to IN the Spirit, likewise nor is it a big jump from “OF the flesh” to “IN the flesh”.

So “In the flesh” “under law” will produce sinful passions. Whereas NOT under law, NOT in the flesh, but IN the Spirit, will produce good fruit. Chapter 7 is all about the problem; and the reason why the solution (which does not exist in most of this chapter), is only mentioned at the end AS BEING that solution. [Jesus]. [Paul said that there was no good in him, that is, in his flesh]

Paul here was explaining law flesh sin death to show ‘how and why it works’ and why this old law covenant had to be replaced with the new grace Spirit one. [which Jesus gave HIS flesh for]

R8:9 Those in the flesh cannot please God.  But you are NOT IN THE FLESH, you are IN THE SPIRIT, if the Spirit dwells in you. The description in R7 is of one (Paul), being OF the flesh but in Paul’s case only hypothetically IN that flesh [humanity, body].

So to recap, R7:5 describes the conditions under which the problem of sin occurs (in the members), and this problem and the condition R7:5 describes, is duplicated in 7:23, showing that R7 is the condition before Christianity, of being under law. Conversely, R7 has nothing in common with R7:6, which is the believer’s position.

[7:18 “in my flesh” 7:14 “of flesh” 7-5 “in the flesh”. Paul was of flesh like us all, had the same “no good” in his (“my“) flesh, but never said he was “in” the flesh” other than as a past shared event (v5). His experience as described is a self contained hypothetical one where he explains from his own knowledge and past as well as present experience, the machinations of flesh as provoked into sin when under law.][IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE SOLUTION, (the Spirit), YOU ARE NATURALLY IN THE PROBLEM] (the law). [Paul does not sin, but reveals the potential to sin that lies in the natural (flesh) nature under law, be that  natural or religious law]

[So Spirit and flesh are opposites, it is either one OR the other, not a mix of the two.][either you have “crossed over” from death to life, or you haven’t][In R7 the crossing over has not occurred]

TWO DIFFERENT MINDSETS [1437a]

The difference between the old and new covenants lies in the fact of two different mindsets being in place, the first one that which is of our natural selves, the second that which is of the Spirit of God.

There is a mindset of the “flesh”, and a mindset of the Spirit. It is this which is referred to in Romans 8 as being “the mind set on the flesh” (is death) but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace.

By definition, a mindset is something that exhibits a predominant force for one thing over the other. That is, that where the one exists, the other must lose control. And so it is with the natural life or the Spiritual life, the one or the other takes control, to the exclusion of the other.

Theologians get lost in the process of trying to compare the physical with the spiritual. Because of the very process  of having to examine the processes of both life and death, the resultant “foot in each camp” situation results in the inability to clearly perceive the Spiritual. This would explain why they often end up with the wrong view of it all, especially on targeted doctrines where much investigation of the original languages comes into play.

Paul said He had to be careful of this same thing, that while preaching the processes of both life and death, that while he performed this ‘service’, that his mind did not get caught up in that which detracted from his own life ‘processes’ which were in danger of becoming less than the life he was preaching to others. “Analysis brings paralysis”.

If you are trying to maintain the two mindsets at the same time, you end up with what is called a “double minded” situation, a leg in each camp of both natural and Spiritual. Otherwise perhaps known as “nominal Christianity”. When scripture is examined under such a condition, errors will occur, there will be deception and self deception as the ‘logic’ of the “flesh”, given power for the (temporary and false) purpose of analysis, seeks to impose its will on the ‘logic’ of the Spirit.

It is from this deception that otherwise “important” theologians create the terminal error of calling the sin condition the Christian condition. Jesus came to destroy the power of the natural ‘flesh’, our natural humanity. They are blinded to the Spirit and what He has done, and how he works.

TWO DIFFERENT MINDSETS [1437]

The difference between the old and new covenants lies in the fact of two different mindsets being in place, the first one that which is of our natural selves, the second that which is of the Spirit of God.

There is a mindset of the “flesh”, and a mindset of the Spirit. It is this which is referred to in Romans 8 as being “the mind set on the flesh” (is death) but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace.

By definition, a mindset is something that exhibits a predominant force for one thing over the other. That is, that where the one exists, the other must lose control. And so it is with the natural life or the Spiritual life, the one or the other takes control, to the exclusion of the other.

Theologians get lost in the process of trying to compare the physical with the spiritual. Because of the very process  of having to examine the processes of both life and death, the resultant “foot in each camp” situation results in the inability to clearly perceive the Spiritual. This would explain why they often end up with the wrong view of it all, especially on targeted doctrines where much investigation of the original languages comes into play.

Paul said He had to be careful of this same thing, that while preaching the processes of both life and death, that while he performed this ‘service’, that his mind did not get caught up in that which detracted from his own life ‘processes’ which were in danger of becoming less than the life he was preaching to others. “Analysis brings paralysis”.

If you are trying to maintain the two mindsets at the same time, you end up with what is called a “double minded” situation, a leg in each camp of both natural and Spiritual. Otherwise perhaps known as “nominal Christianity”. When scripture is examined under such a condition, errors will occur, there will be deception and self deception as the ‘logic’ of the “flesh”, given power for the (temporary and false) purpose of analysis, seeks to impose its will on the ‘logic’ of the Spirit.

It is from this deception that otherwise “important” theologians create the terminal error of calling the sin condition the Christian condition. Jesus came to destroy the power of the natural ‘flesh’, our natural humanity. They are blinded to the Spirit and what He has done, and how he works.