YOU WILL ENTER THE NEXT WORLD IN THE SAME SPIRITUAL CONDITION YOU LEAVE THIS ONE [1371a]

The common theme of sects and cults and all who deviate from the central message of the true gospel, and as seen on many a TV “Christian” programme, is that of THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

They place this kingdom of God IN THE FUTURE, and other common themes are that Jesus is not divine, or at least not in the sense that TRINITARIANS would place Him. So that in this regard, they DENY THE RETURNED SPIRIT OF JESUS AS A PERSONAL “POSSESSION”.

Now fair enough that yes, the final outcome will see the fulfillment, the culmination of the gospel message in its final reality when the present physical creation vanishes and the new one emerges. AND that the hope of the Christian is for his new immortal body.

BUT

What they are hiding is that the kingdom is supposed to be revealed NOW in His people. People talk about “dying and going to heaven”, but the word says that this has already happened, that we have been risen into heaven with Christ. From where we rule with Him, NOW.

SO

They deny the full revelation that the SPIRIT has come NOW that we be empowered NOW with the fullness of  Christ.

The FULLNESS is NOW, The ‘kingdom’ is NOW, The Spirit is NOW, the resurrection is NOW.

Not so much THEN!! There will be no “then” if you do not see it happening NOW.

If they can convince you that your spiritual life is not in the PRESENT, but only in the FUTURE, then they have bound you to this life, denying you of the very power needed to fulfill your eternal life NOW.

This is why they reduce the fullness of the Spirit as seen at Pentecost, to some poor concoction of their own making, usually in the form of supposedly being as a result of bible study, or bible knowledge, of the written word.

THIS IS WHY THEY PREACH LAW, or at least disguise it in amongst what they say is “The gospel” well IT MAY BE THEIR GOSPEL, BUT NOT THE GOSPEL.

This can also be seen in an approach to Romans chapter 7, if it is represented as being a sample of the Christian life. To do this means to continue to tolerate that which Jesus has plainly destroyed so that it may be rendered powerless over us. Romans 7 teaches what we now have victory over, regardless of whether or not as individuals we “fail the test” as Paul said. The Jesus Christ to be in us is Him in His fullness, not some poor half starved version of Him.

This is a great deception and it is being pushed on us from many directions. DON’T BE FOOLED. [Or “bewitched”].

[P.S. The other common theme they use is prophesy]

YOU WILL ENTER THE NEXT WORLD IN THE SAME SPIRITUAL CONDITION YOU LEAVE THIS ONE [1371]

The common theme of sects and cults and all who deviate from the central message of the true gospel, and as seen on many a TV “Christian” programme, is that of THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

They place this kingdom of God IN THE FUTURE, and other common themes are that Jesus is not divine, or at least not in the sense that TRINITARIANS would place Him. So that in this regard, they DENY THE RETURNED SPIRIT OF JESUS AS A PERSONAL “POSSESSION”.

Now fair enough that yes, the final outcome will see the fulfillment, the culmination of the gospel message in its final reality when the present physical creation vanishes and the new one emerges. AND that the hope of the Christian is for his new immortal body.

BUT

What they are hiding is that the kingdom is supposed to be revealed NOW in His people. People talk about “dying and going to heaven”, but the word says that this has already happened, that we have been risen into heaven with Christ. From where we rule with Him, NOW.

SO

They deny the full revelation that the SPIRIT has come NOW that we be empowered NOW with the fullness of  Christ.

The FULLNESS is NOW, The ‘kingdom’ is NOW, The Spirit is NOW, the resurrection is NOW.

Not so much THEN!! There will be no “then” if you do not see it happening NOW.

If they can convince you that your spiritual life is not in the PRESENT, but only in the FUTURE, then they have bound you to this life, denying you of the very power needed to fulfill your eternal life NOW.

This is why they reduce the fullness of the Spirit as seen at Pentecost, to some poor concoction of their own making, usually in the form of supposedly being as a result of bible study, or bible knowledge, of the written word.

THIS IS WHY THEY PREACH LAW, or at least disguise it in amongst what they say is “The gospel” well IT MAY BE THEIR GOSPEL, BUT NOT THE GOSPEL.

This can also be seen in an approach to Romans chapter 7, if it is represented as being a sample of the Christian life. To do this means to continue to tolerate that which Jesus has plainly destroyed so that it may be rendered powerless over us. Romans 7 teaches what we now have victory over, regardless of whether or not as individuals we “fail the test” as Paul said. The Jesus Christ to be in us is Him in His fullness, not some poor half starved version of Him.

This is a great deception and it is being pushed on us from many directions. DON’T BE FOOLED. [Or “bewitched”].

[P.S. The other common theme they use is prophesy]

SOME THOUGHTS ON “THE TRINITY” [986a]

Whenever people can’t understand something, they say it is not understandable, and I guess that is understandable  🙂 .

Recently a minister spent an entire sermon explaining that the “trinity” could not be explained. People are intensely polarised by “the trinity”, they either love it or hate it, and I think the explanation for this probably, again, lies with their particular view of the atonement.

Those of the old covenant school, cannot accept a God who is not defined in the singular; as one God. They cannot accept that He may be composed of three “persons”, and that is a valid viewpoint, but one which I suspect is based on the denial of the principle that “God is with us”, because the full meaning of this is that God is IN us, we are his “temple”.

They seem to have extreme difficulty in accepting that the holiness of God could actually “tabernacle” or dwell, in “sinful” man. Because of this, they have difficulty accepting that the Holy Spirit “Himself” comes to live with us, in us. They see it as the power of God, rather than God himself, through the agency of His Spirit.

“Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom”. It is this freedom that they cannot abide, because freedom implies and reinforces the concept of “free from the law”, and if you want to control people you have to place them under some kind of law structure.

So rather than have the same “Holy Spirit” that the apostles and disciples experienced, as being the very nature of God Himself come to live in them, and that there be the possibility that it was the risen Lord who had indeed returned, as He had promised “I am with you and will be IN you” IE the presence of Jesus is in us and with us, they maintain that it is only as some form of righteousness is assumed into the person by their study of scripture, that the character of Christ is formed in them, and not by “infusion” of the Spirit of God, IE it is not so much a gift as that YOU HAVE TO WORK FOR IT.

This of course cuts right across the understanding that RIGHTEOUSNESS IS A GIFT which we receive by belief, not by study. And furthermore, that because it is an infused Spirit, it relies on nothing more than a heart response to THE BASIC GOSPEL, Christ’s death and resurrection for us. On this basis are we are freed ‘from all the things we could not be freed from by the law of Moses’. [Acts 13-39]

IT IS FINISHED. Part and parcel of this is the insistence that NO it is not finished until you grow into righteousness sufficient to be judged as righteous by some authority, usually that of their own. But God has given us righteousness freely as a gift, by belief, so that IN AN INSTANT, YOU CROSS OVER FROM DEATH TO LIFE. Then you continue in that life to grow further with Him.

On the other hand, the probable extreme would be something like the catholic view which superstitiously says that they have the power to free you from your sins, by virtue of the supernatural authority they carry. So as long as you adhere to their rituals and obey their priesthood, you are OK, and we know where that has got them with a priesthood forbidden to marry, [precipitating sexual deviancy] doctrines of purgatory, and giving their priests the title of “Father”. [Not to mention the God like status of the pope and Mary].

There is also of course the reinforcement of the view that Jesus was just a man, despite everything He said about Himself. “I have come down from heaven…”. “The glory which I had with you before the world began”. “I and the Father are one” “If you have seen me, you have seen the Father” “before Abraham was, I AM”.

Nowhere though, does He actually say, I AM GOD. He is always the son, even at the end, or even before that when He rose to heaven, He sat AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD. It appears that He was His “right hand man”. 🙂  All things have been given into his hands. (And at the end He will give all things into the Father’s hands)(See Revelation etc.).

Although it says that He and the Father are one, we are also given to understand that we will all be one, it is the same thing. Because Jesus had ‘God consciousness’, he could say all manner of things from the Spirit’s perspective, including knowledge of the glory which was always His, was always intended from the beginning, and in fact had never ceased to be in eternal existence.

It is because people cannot understand or explain the “atonement” that they have to insist on the trinity [or not] so that it becomes God himself who came down to earth to bear our sin. But this would seem to deny the point of it all, which is that JESUS, WHILE IN THE PROCESS OF “BEARING” SIN, AND TO FULFILL HIS MISSION OF “DESTROYING THE WORKS OF THE DEVIL”, PHYSICALLY CHANGED, RESTORED, PERFECTED HIS BODY BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL DESIGN from which it was originally corrupted by sin.

The pattern of this creational fulfilment is then, by the gift of the Spirit of righteousness, returned to us by faith in Him. Jesus was the physical gift who then became the Spiritual gift by which we “participate in the divine nature”.

[Ever learning but never able to acknowledge the truth][It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Gal. 5-1]

SOME THOUGHTS ON “THE TRINITY” [986]

Whenever people can’t understand something, they say it is not understandable, and I guess that is understandable  🙂 .

Recently a minister spent an entire sermon explaining that the “trinity” could not be explained. People are intensely polarised by “the trinity”, they either love it or hate it, and I think the explanation for this probably, again, lies with their particular view of the atonement.

Those of the old covenant school, cannot accept a God who is not defined in the singular; as one God. They cannot accept that He may be composed of three “persons”, and that is a valid viewpoint, but one which I suspect is based on the denial of the principle that “God is with us”, because the full meaning of this is that God is IN us, we are his “temple”.

They seem to have extreme difficulty in accepting that the holiness of God could actually “tabernacle” or dwell, in “sinful” man. Because of this, they have difficulty accepting that the Holy Spirit “Himself” comes to live with us, in us. They see it as the power of God, rather than God himself, through the agency of His Spirit.

“Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom”. It is this freedom that they cannot abide, because freedom implies and reinforces the concept of “free from the law”, and if you want to control people you have to place them under some kind of law structure.

So rather than have the same “Holy Spirit” that the apostles and disciples experienced, as being the very nature of God Himself come to live in them, and that there be the possibility that it was the risen Lord who had indeed returned, as He had promised “I am with you and will be IN you” IE the presence of Jesus is in us and with us, they maintain that it is only as some form of righteousness is assumed into the person by their study of scripture, that the character of Christ is formed in them, and not by “infusion” of the Spirit of God, IE it is not so much a gift as that YOU HAVE TO WORK FOR IT.

This of course cuts right across the understanding that RIGHTEOUSNESS IS A GIFT which we receive by belief, not by study. And furthermore, that because it is an infused Spirit, it relies on nothing more than a heart response to THE BASIC GOSPEL, Christ’s death and resurrection for us. On this basis are we are freed ‘from all the things we could not be freed from by the law of Moses’. [Acts 13-39]

IT IS FINISHED. Part and parcel of this is the insistence that NO it is not finished until you grow into righteousness sufficient to be judged as righteous by some authority, usually that of their own. But God has given us righteousness freely as a gift, by belief, so that IN AN INSTANT, YOU CROSS OVER FROM DEATH TO LIFE. Then you continue in that life to grow further with Him.

On the other hand, the probable extreme would be something like the catholic view which superstitiously says that they have the power to free you from your sins, by virtue of the supernatural authority they carry. So as long as you adhere to their rituals and obey their priesthood, you are OK, and we know where that has got them with a priesthood forbidden to marry, [precipitating sexual deviancy] doctrines of purgatory, and giving their priests the title of “Father”. [Not to mention the God like status of the pope and Mary].

There is also of course the reinforcement of the view that Jesus was just a man, despite everything He said about Himself. “I have come down from heaven…”. “The glory which I had with you before the world began”. “I and the Father are one” “If you have seen me, you have seen the Father” “before Abraham was, I AM”.

Nowhere though, does He actually say, I AM GOD. He is always the son, even at the end, or even before that when He rose to heaven, He sat AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD. It appears that He was His “right hand man”. 🙂  All things have been given into his hands. (And at the end He will give all things into the Father’s hands)(See Revelation etc.).

Although it says that He and the Father are one, we are also given to understand that we will all be one, it is the same thing. Because Jesus had ‘God consciousness’, he could say all manner of things from the Spirit’s perspective, including knowledge of the glory which was always His, was always intended from the beginning, and in fact had never ceased to be in eternal existence.

It is because people cannot understand or explain the “atonement” that they have to insist on the trinity [or not] so that it becomes God himself who came down to earth to bear our sin. But this would seem to deny the point of it all, which is that JESUS, WHILE IN THE PROCESS OF “BEARING” SIN, AND TO FULFILL HIS MISSION OF “DESTROYING THE WORKS OF THE DEVIL”, PHYSICALLY CHANGED, RESTORED, PERFECTED HIS BODY BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL DESIGN from which it was originally corrupted by sin.

The pattern of this creational fulfilment is then, by the gift of the Spirit of righteousness, returned to us by faith in Him. Jesus was the physical gift who then became the Spiritual gift by which we “participate in the divine nature”.

[Ever learning but never able to acknowledge the truth][It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Gal. 5-1]

UNITARIANISM [745]

I have thought to post on the subject of Unitarianism because the “xxxxxx xxxxxx” have attached a link to a post on my site because it calls Jehovah’s witnesses a cult or sect. They have explicitly created a blog to publish links to all sites that are critical of Jehovahs witnesses, and I guess also any who oppose themselves or any other form of Unitarianism, which is rather extraordinary but reveals the mentality involved.

I came across this xxxxxx group some time ago, who claim to be xxxxxx(which also turns out is Unitarian), but who seem fairly unaware of the views of other xxxxxxand even of their founding originators, xxxxxx and xxxxxx. In amongst their doctrinal claims appeared to be that all manner of laws had to be kept (they quoted more than 300 of them), and including practically every word that Jesus uttered became a “commandment of Christ” which had to be kept to the letter in order for you to be saved.

This would appear to be just the tip of the iceberg of those groups who have lost the plot well and truly, or perhaps never did “have the plot”. It is essential to the purity of Christianity that people come into the knowledge of their freedom from sin and death which Jesus achieved for them, because it is only this freedom [of spirit, in the Spirit] that empowers them to go forward confidently in the knowledge that all condemnation has been lifted, so as not to impede the apprehension of the kingdom of God, nor to impede any progress in this direction of understanding that God’s love releases them even as it captivates them.

Before any further details emerge, it appears there are many who have taken up the cause of AntiChrist by retaining systems of law, similar to the Judaistic (Moses) system, thereby retaining and enabling the power of the flesh to continue in its corruptive ways. They introduce Christ to their religions, but only as a powerless Christ, who seems to better fit the description of another Adam than as the only begotten son of the living God, and who was to become the promised and given Holy Spirit at Pentecost.

The key to all this is their misunderstanding of the cross, the atonement, and it is usually here that all deviant groups fail. This pervasive and insidious continuation of Judaism is that which was always present from the beginning, and Paul in Galatians points this out quite clearly as the Spirit in opposition to the law. xxxxxx and Jehovahs witnesses seem obsessed with denying the “trinity” and perhaps that is a clue to why they seem to want to deny salvation unless it comes through their particular systems of religion. They deny the Holy Spirit and they deny that Jesus literally bore all our sin for all time and on that cross released us from it. Obviously if they can keep Jesus from having “Godlike” status then they can reduce his power and authority so that salvation then is more easily controlled by them and their doctrines, by which their adherents are enslaved to legalisms, which yes, have caused breakdowns, suicide and murder.

Here are some site links to Unitarianism. Firstly two to JW’s

http://www.freeminds.org/history/mystery_years.htm

http://www.freeminds.org/index.html

Unitarianism    https://carm.org/what-unitarianism

List of cults and non-Christian groups   https://carm.org/list-cults-and-non-christian-groups

xxxxxx   https://carm.org/xxxxxx

[It appears from their site that these xxxxxx have ties with JW’s via some of their members years ago being involved with “Judge Rutherford”, of  the JW’s.]

[xxxxxx notably xxxxxx, have stated that animal sacrifices will be reintroduced and that they would personally be executing non-xxxxxx during the “Millenium”]. There may be other “Unitarians”, I suppose Judaism is one, but there are others titled “Unitarian” churches. In some of these Christian derived groups (not Judaism)  the pressure to “be righteous” is so great that the breakdown of family relationships, depression and suicide is always lurking. I have personal knowledge of such things, and there is much on the web concerning them.][Roberts dissents from Unitarianism].

Unitarianism is basically the belief that God is one, IE no trinity and no divine Jesus. And  no Holy Spirit.

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