GOD’S LOVE AND HIS WRATH ARE THE SAME THING [865e]

When two opposing forces come together, there is conflict, and a resolution must result. We see this conflict within man, and see his anger as an outworking or display of this conflict.

When righteousness and unrighteousness come together, there is conflict. Now God and his Spirit of love are righteousness, and man and his spirit of sin are unrighteousness. These two, like Spirit and flesh, are incompatible and conflict results.

The nature of this conflict is that there is an agitation of the elements involved, and the stronger of them will overcome the weaker, and God who is love and righteousness will always emerge victorious from such a contest, as he did in Jesus on the cross, where, although death resulted to the physical, confirmed spiritual life then re-emerged with a new physical, that of the immortal body.

So when God’s love is in confrontation with man’s sin which is IN man, the internal agitation caused by the fear of the judgement inherent in this action which seeks a remedy to the difference between God’s righteousness and our unrighteousness, results in anger and what we perceive to be God’s “wrath”. With this wrath “on” us and in us, we are extremely uncomfortable, to say the least.

But it is God’s love we are experiencing, it is just that it is in opposition to what we are or have become because we identify with our sin nature, not with His love nature. He is flame to our paper. His nature HAS to create drama and trauma in us, for us, because our human nature is only temporary and must undergo change to be atone with HIS nature, the divine nature.

We experience the judgement on sin WITHIN us, and this results in the inner guilt that we feel whenever anything to do with God or righteousness presents itself to our awareness or consciousness. And because we were made in HIS image, we condemn ourselves because, having the knowledge of good and bad, we are capable of judging ourselves as guilty also. We also create inner wrath because we know our position is untenable and unsurviveable, unsustainable.

God then reveals to us that His very own nature of love through his very only begotten son, has confronted the sin nature of man that lies in his natural body and which lay in Jesus body also, and brought about the ultimate conflict and wrath towards the nature of “sin in the flesh”. Jesus’ personal “Armageddon”, which is also OUR “Armageddon”, and brought about, in the nature of his love, the “final resolution”.

The nature of love has been assaulted and tortured to the death  within the same body of sin that hosted the perfect spirit nature that Jesus was, and the Father suffered this conflict also as he watched his son die a terrible death on his cross. The perfect Spirit of Jesus was in conflict with the, our, inner nature of sinful flesh. His loving righteousness was brought to bear on the corrupted sin nature of “sin in the flesh” and the inner stress of this was painful and of immense anguish, as He was confronted with the reality of what the absence of the Spirit of God means in the darkness of its terrible presence. He was ‘in anguish in its flame’. The fires of hell brought Him to the ‘pit’ of hell, the grave, the tomb, from which he would emerge victorious, having overcome his mortal body, having changed it through loving conflict, to an immortal body.

This victory is ours in Him who has wrought this victory and who now presents it to us as a completed gift of life, of righteousness. The battle is over, “It is finished” for him and for us. Our only “battle” now is to install by faith this victory over death and all its components. And this “battle” lies in accepting this truth, that he has come in the flesh and provided all that we need to live life in and from Him, he who is love, and the “installation” lies only in this one word, BELIEVE.

THE LAW [8d]

What a great subject. “The law is temporary”. “He has abolished the law”. “Until Christ has come” “Now that Christ has come, we are no longer under the law” “Those who are led by the Spirit are not under law”. “We are not under law”. There are many such quotes, but still people refer to the law as though they were its disciples.

If God’s Spirit is working on man, then the law is one of those agents he uses. “For we know the law is spiritual..” But it is a matter of context and relativity and understanding. ” The law is good if a man uses it lawfully…” “The law was not made for good men but for bad”. The law is called “The ministry of death”. Paul said “The law killed me”. So the purpose of the law “It was added because of transgressions UNTIL..” and Paul said “I would not have known sin if the law had not said …do not covet..” So the law was a teacher.

So the purpose of law, which in itself is a standard of right and wrong, is to bring forth a consciousness of sin, since all have sinned. The bringing forth and setting up this consciousness of sin was to prepare men to accept liberation from the law, which was to men, like a hard taskmaster, a slave driver.  Law brings wrath, the fear of judgement. But law alone was unable to produce righteousness, because, of himself, man was hopeless and helpless with regard to righteousness.

We are set free from the law because of death. The death that Jesus had, and the death that we assign ourselves to, in recognition of our own death-worthiness, and recognition that he achieved that for us. So we don’t have to “put ourselves, or our old self, to death”, because that is what Christ did for us. Sin was judged in him, in his body. One man died for all, therefore ALL DIED. The old covenant of law is dissolved by death. The new covenant of the Spirit is here. The Spirit of life.

The “Wretched man” is set free by death, Christ’s death. This death, as a necessary redemptive act, was in reality the painful absorbing of sin by the Son and the Father, as love confronted non-love, or sin. Law was enacted in this operation, and it acted on behalf of man, doing something that he himself could never do, and that is remove his own sin by the action of love..

So Christians are “dead to the law”, because they are “dead in the law” and dead in Christ, just as they are alive in him. And the law no longer has jurisdiction over them. Those who wish to perpetuate the law inside Christianity, are those who wish to keep men in slavery to sin.

law is the residual of the commandment. the commandment is personal, law is detached.

THE WRATH OF GOD [7e]

Wrath and Love are the same thing where the love is perfect. We may not think so, if we had our hand in the biscuit jar, and Dad or Mum caught us. Human anger is often irrational, whereas God’s “anger” is always rational, because it is a constant, and always has the same motivation, to benefit his creation.

This is because God’s Love and Anger are the same thing. He is not multifunctional, he is a constant being whom, though we see him in the progression of time, is actually fixed in time. Not that this has a lot to do with anything.

“Our God is a consuming fire.” The Holy Spirit is spoken of in terms of fire. At Pentecost the Spirit came on them all and appeared as flames of fire. When Moses came down from the Mount, his face was glowing from the residual Glory of the Lord, and from the glory of the given law. There is a principle of cleansing with fire. The wheat will be gathered into the barn, but the chaff will be burned.

The task of the Spirit is to burn out sin from believers, whether in large lumps or bit by bit. The Spirit confronts sin and destroys it. Similarly it will burn up the physical creation to reveal the Spiritual creation, when Christ returns with his fiery angels.  Men feel the presence of God’s wrath, because the sin within them filters it as anger and guilt and judgement. Paul said it was better to marry than to burn, whether with passion or whether he meant the Spirit perhaps. Errant cities were consumed by fire. True, some were also drowned in water, but that symbolism seems reserved for better things like baptism and rivers like the Jordan. Here too is the symbolism of cleansing, perhaps also by destruction.

At the end, it is God’s love that removes all sin from the creation. Love cannot be love if even a small part of hate is left to survive. It is spiritual matter in confrontation with earthly matter. Matter and Anti-matter. Fire and paper. And as for the hypothetical believer whose “works do not stand”, “he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames”.

The Spirit confronts sin. Galatians shows conflict and confrontation between Spirit and flesh. All flesh will be destroyed. All sin will be destroyed. Righteousness destroys unrighteousness. God’s love and wrath are the same thing, it is only our perception of it (him), as perceived by us, that sees a difference.

[see also “Punishment and Passion (wrath II) ” ] [and “Rising to life (wrath III”)]

GOD’S LOVE AND HIS WRATH ARE THE SAME THING [865d]

When two opposing forces come together, there is conflict, and a resolution must result. We see this conflict within man, and see his anger as an outworking or display of this conflict.

When righteousness and unrighteousness come together, there is conflict. Now God and his Spirit of love are righteousness, and man and his spirit of sin are unrighteousness. These two, like Spirit and flesh, are incompatible and conflict results.

The nature of this conflict is that there is an agitation of the elements involved, and the stronger of them will overcome the weaker, and God who is love and righteousness will always emerge victorious from such a contest, as he did in Jesus on the cross, where, although death resulted to the physical, confirmed spiritual life then re-emerged with a new physical, that of the immortal body.

So when God’s love is in confrontation with man’s sin which is IN man, the internal agitation caused by the fear of the judgement inherent in this action which seeks a remedy to the difference between God’s righteousness and our unrighteousness, results in anger and what we perceive to be God’s “wrath”. With this wrath “on” us and in us, we are extremely uncomfortable, to say the least.

But it is God’s love we are experiencing, it is just that it is in opposition to what we are or have become because we identify with our sin nature, not with His love nature. He is flame to our paper. His nature HAS to create drama and trauma in us, for us, because our human nature is only temporary and must undergo change to be atone with HIS nature, the divine nature.

We experience the judgement on sin WITHIN us, and this results in the inner guilt that we feel whenever anything to do with God or righteousness presents itself to our awareness or consciousness. And because we were made in HIS image, we condemn ourselves because, having the knowledge of good and bad, we are capable of judging ourselves as guilty also. We also create inner wrath because we know our position is untenable and unsurviveable, unsustainable.

God then reveals to us that His very own nature of love through his very only begotten son, has confronted the sin nature of man that lies in his natural body and which lay in Jesus body also, and brought about the ultimate conflict and wrath towards the nature of “sin in the flesh”. Jesus’ personal “Armageddon”, which is also OUR “Armageddon”, and brought about, in the nature of his love, the “final resolution”.

The nature of love has been assaulted and tortured to the death  within the same body of sin that hosted the perfect spirit nature that Jesus was, and the Father suffered this conflict also as he watched his son die a terrible death on his cross. The perfect Spirit of Jesus was in conflict with the, our, inner nature of sinful flesh. His loving righteousness was brought to bear on the corrupted sin nature of “sin in the flesh” and the inner stress of this was painful and of immense anguish, as He was confronted with the reality of what the absence of the Spirit of God means in the darkness of its terrible presence. He was ‘in anguish in its flame’. The fires of hell brought Him to the ‘pit’ of hell, the grave, the tomb, from which he would emerge victorious, having overcome his mortal body, having changed it through loving conflict, to an immortal body.

This victory is ours in Him who has wrought this victory and who now presents it to us as a completed gift of life, of righteousness. The battle is over, “It is finished” for him and for us. Our only “battle” now is to install by faith this victory over death and all its components. And this “battle” lies in accepting this truth, that he has come in the flesh and provided all that we need to live life in and from Him, he who is love, and the “installation” lies only in this one word, BELIEVE.

VERSE 10 OF ROMANS 7 [1354]

10. And this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; 11. for sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, DECEIVED me, and through it killed me. Just as Adam was deceived and so died when the commandment was given to him.

EXTRA – This commandment, meant to bring me life, resulted in my death.

THE FRUIT OF THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL IS WRATH [1307a]

We are by nature angry children. “By nature we were children of wrath” Eph.2-3. We need to let Jesus to have taken, and thereby to take, that anger from us, producing PEACE.

ANGER. “He who is angry with his brother is liable to hell fire*”. And the anger IS the fire of hell which impacts in our lives now, and more completely when our lives are over, if we do not let Him have taken this anger of the “fires of hell”.

By nature we live within the scenarios of anger, we create them as a result of the confusion born from the conflict between good and bad, righteousness and unrighteousness, which lives within us. These scenarios are the result and the product of unresolved anger because of the unresolved conflict between what is right and what is wrong, righteousness and unrighteousness.

These scenarios are born of legalisms associated with attempts at self justification, and that is why they fail, being born of SELF which cannot resolve itself by itself of itself. The only true “legalism” is that which is the very nature of God, of righteousness, which is His Spirit, which is the truth. Only the Spirit of Truth [the truth of righteousness] can install in us it’s, His, righteousness [Jesus]. All other legalistic requirements are born out of this inner conflict inherent in man and are now rendered either redundant or false, be they of the ‘Mosaic law’ or of any other supposed laws or principles of ‘righteousness’ as so-called by men.

“Law brings wrath”. When righteousness and unrighteousness meet, there is “wrath”, ANGER, burning inside us. This fire is quenched by the water of Jesus’ Spirit, this water satisfies the thirst for righteousness and answers the demand for unrighteousness to be removed. It is the fire in us that is quenched, not HIS fire. HIS fire burnt out from within Himself, in His body, those components which were of the natural body, of the natural creation, and the wrath and anger which was resolved in His own body of flesh, being like our own body of flesh, was declared to be enough to declare and transmit to us the acceptable resolution of the conflict forever, being that the result was people who willingly allowed the same conflict to be resolved in their own bodies also.

Righteousness will deal with our unrighteousness as well, but not in the same manner as Jesus, NOT LEGALISTICALLY BY US, but legalistically by Him, then as the gift of His life, His Spirit to ours, and His righteousness to us, taken “on faith”, by faith. Trusting in this resolution brought about by the conflict between good and evil by the knowledge of it, in Him, which was brought on in us prematurely, but necessarily, for the fulfilment of His creative purpose in us. Conflict is the enemy, peace is the solution, the peace He BOUGHT ‘with His own blood’, by which He also bought US out of conflict and into His peace. He bought us from the wrath we had incurred on ourselves, both by nature, and by the outworking of this nature, and having been set free of this, our nature, we become instead “participants in the divine nature“.

*[A little ‘hyperbolic’ but near enough for the purpose][We are in conflict because we live unrighteously, of ourselves, instead of righteously, of Him]

THE FRUIT OF THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL IS WRATH [1307]

We are by nature angry children. “By nature we were children of wrath” Eph.2-3. We need to let Jesus to have taken, and thereby to take, that anger from us, producing PEACE.

ANGER. “He who is angry with his brother is liable to hell fire*”. And the anger IS the fire of hell which impacts in our lives now, and more completely when our lives are over, if we do not let Him have taken this anger of the “fires of hell”.

By nature we live within the scenarios of anger, we create them as a result of the confusion born from the conflict between good and bad, righteousness and unrighteousness, which lives within us. These scenarios are the result and the product of unresolved anger because of the unresolved conflict between what is right and what is wrong, righteousness and unrighteousness.

These scenarios are born of legalisms associated with attempts at self justification, and that is why they fail, being born of SELF which cannot resolve itself by itself of itself. The only true “legalism” is that which is the very nature of God, of righteousness, which is His Spirit, which is the truth. Only the Spirit of Truth [the truth of righteousness] can install in us it’s, His, righteousness [Jesus]. All other legalistic requirements are born out of this inner conflict inherent in man and are now rendered either redundant or false, be they of the ‘Mosaic law’ or of any other supposed laws or principles of ‘righteousness’ as so-called by men.

“Law brings wrath”. When righteousness and unrighteousness meet, there is “wrath”, ANGER, burning inside us. This fire is quenched by the water of Jesus’ Spirit, this water satisfies the thirst for righteousness and answers the demand for unrighteousness to be removed. It is the fire in us that is quenched, not HIS fire. HIS fire burnt out from within Himself, in His body, those components which were of the natural body, of the natural creation, and the wrath and anger which was resolved in His own body of flesh, being like our own body of flesh, was declared to be enough to declare and transmit to us the acceptable resolution of the conflict forever, being that the result was people who willingly allowed the same conflict to be resolved in their own bodies also.

Righteousness will deal with our unrighteousness as well, but not in the same manner as Jesus, NOT LEGALISTICALLY BY US, but legalistically by Him, then as the gift of His life, His Spirit to ours, and His righteousness to us, taken “on faith”, by faith. Trusting in this resolution brought about by the conflict between good and evil by the knowledge of it, in Him, which was brought on in us prematurely, but necessarily, for the fulfilment of His creative purpose in us. Conflict is the enemy, peace is the solution, the peace He BOUGHT ‘with His own blood’, by which He also bought US out of conflict and into His peace. He bought us from the wrath we had incurred on ourselves, both by nature, and by the outworking of this nature, and having been set free of this, our nature, we become instead “participants in the divine nature“.

*[A little ‘hyperbolic’ but near enough for the purpose][We are in conflict because we live unrighteously, of ourselves, instead of righteously, of Him]

GOD COULD NEVER SIN NOR IS JESUS NOW CAPABLE OF SIN BUT HE WAS WHILE ON EARTH [1299a]

God does not have the capability for sin, it is impossible that impurity of any kind could exist in Him. Jesus, now perfected, also cannot sin. But while on earth, Jesus was tempted, and this means he was capable of producing sin.

Because God does not have the capacity, and therefore also does not have the opportunity, it is impossible for Him to be tempted, He has no “unholy” desires as we do. Jesus also is now as the Father in that regard.

But Jesus was made as we are, capable of sinning, else there would be no point in tempting Him, He COULD be tempted, the propositions put to Him as temptation were received in Him, but the thing is that He disregarded them because He knew He was God’s son.

If Jesus was not able to be tempted in every way that we are, then there would be no point to any of it and his victory over temptation and therefore sin and sin nature (our nature) would be meaningless and ineffectual. He HAD to be victorious in the matter of temptation, in order to remain sinless, which He was and always was. There is though, the matter of His spiritual maturity and His ultimate perfection “by the things that He suffered”.

Because He remained sinless He was always in possession and retention of his righteousness, by virtue of His righteous spirit, encouraged and strengthened by the Holy Spirit, until He was strong enough to tackle and defeat the sin nature mechanism within humankind that was the producer of sin and sinning. During this confrontation with “sin in the flesh”, He experienced the darkness of all the sin scenarios that the flesh could throw at Him, during which time His vision of His Father was clouded to the point where He exclaimed as we would, not of God as Father, but of God as wrathful god who stands opposed to sin nature, until all was completed, sin and sin nature defeated, dealt with, removed, destroyed, and HEALED.

Then He could once again refer to God as His Father, after having experienced all that human kind can experience of sin and darkness and what we call hell. He experienced the separation from God that we do, and suffered the guilt and anxiety that we do. He experienced all the results of fallen mankind that there is to experience. He was as one of us. The wrath we experience is caused by the conflict within us between righteousness and unrighteousness. His righteous spirit and our unrighteous flesh. “For He knew what was in man”. because He WAS man.

[Temptation creates pressure and stress resulting from the analysis of propositions]

GOD COULD NEVER SIN NOR IS JESUS NOW CAPABLE OF SIN BUT HE WAS WHILE ON EARTH [1299]

God does not have the capability for sin, it is impossible that impurity of any kind could exist in Him. Jesus, now perfected, also cannot sin. But while on earth, Jesus was tempted, and this means he was capable of producing sin.

Because God does not have the capacity, and therefore also does not have the opportunity, it is impossible for Him to be tempted, He has no “unholy” desires as we do. Jesus also is now as the Father in that regard.

But Jesus was made as we are, capable of sinning, else there would be no point in tempting Him, He COULD be tempted, the propositions put to Him as temptation were received in Him, but the thing is that He disregarded them because He knew He was God’s son.

If Jesus was not able to be tempted in every way that we are, then there would be no point to any of it and his victory over temptation and therefore sin and sin nature (our nature) would be meaningless and ineffectual. He HAD to be victorious in the matter of temptation, in order to remain sinless, which He was and always was. There is though, the matter of His spiritual maturity and His ultimate perfection “by the things that He suffered”.

Because He remained sinless He was always in possession and retention of his righteousness, by virtue of His righteous spirit, encouraged and strengthened by the Holy Spirit, until He was strong enough to tackle and defeat the sin nature mechanism within humankind that was the producer of sin and sinning. During this confrontation with “sin in the flesh”, He experienced the darkness of all the sin scenarios that the flesh could throw at Him, during which time His vision of His Father was clouded to the point where He exclaimed as we would, not of God as Father, but of God as wrathful god who stands opposed to sin nature, until all was completed, sin and sin nature defeated, dealt with, removed, destroyed, and HEALED.

Then He could once again refer to God as His Father, after having experienced all that human kind can experience of sin and darkness and what we call hell. He experienced the separation from God that we do, and suffered the guilt and anxiety that we do. He experienced all the results of fallen mankind that there is to experience. He was as one of us. The wrath we experience is caused by the conflict within us between righteousness and unrighteousness. His righteous spirit and our unrighteous flesh. “For He knew what was in man”. because He WAS man.

[Temptation creates pressure and stress resulting from the analysis of propositions]