WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON THE CROSS [4045a]

It says that one died for all therefore all died. It also says that we were crucified with Him. When He died, we died. When He was crucified, we were crucified. It is also apparent that all not “in” Jesus are dead under the law. Whichever way you look at it, we are spoken of as being dead and not alive in any form, whether physical or spiritual.

Therefore it is no surprise that what Jesus is doing is to reveal to us this state of death of the natural born man of flesh and blood. And “sin” is blamed, and all but Jesus are accounted as sinners who are “dead” under the “law of sin and death”.

It remains then for the grace of God to be revealed in providing some way out of death and into life, since our natural state is that only of death.

The death of Jesus did nothing* to change anything in itself. Jesus was a man just like us, so that His death could represent our death also, and make us one like Him and Him one like us. EXCEPT that His death was temporary because He contained the nature of God within Himself, so that once His body was dead, His spirit could by the power of God having given birth to newness of bodily life by that righteous spirit, rise to resurrection life in new bodily form.

So where does that leave us? Having already been declared dead in ourselves, God reaches out to us to say that if we recognise our own death state, and are prepared to leave it behind, that death being righteous because there being nothing of life worthy in us; then our death is forgiven by His mercy towards us and overlooked if we cleave to Him in recognition of His love as now provided through His Son, who in the new form of the Spirit is made available to us through His love being desirous of us to captivate us through our empathy with His empathy for us in revelation of the love that He is.

This above statement of account operates in reality by our spontaneous heart recognition of the pain and suffering we ourselves encounter in life and are concerned about, and then see in Him on the cross as being that which we deserve but which has been taken by Him on our account, for us. The revealing of sin having been dealt with in this way shows that we also must be sensitive to the pain of sin and especially our own sin.

This is why it can say that “those who are His have crucified the (our) flesh [with its passions and desires]”. Our empathy performs this crucifixion of self along with Him, as we “own our sin” which we now can do because He has paid for it for us. Truth demands we then operate outside of this former death which loses its power over us to conform us to itself and instead, we are released from the power of it and the structure of laws within our minds that confined us only to logical and defensive mechanisms: and now leaves us to follow His Spirit by way of its (His) immediate presence without regard for legalistic processes of rationalisation.

We gain a new ‘mindset’ unlike the former one which was forced to accommodate compromise and servitude to the sinful mindset, but which now places us in ‘servitude’ to Jesus the Prince of righteousness instead. His cross defined His and God’s love. We now allow love to control us in its outworking towards others, without regard for ourselves other than that we follow Him above all else.

So our sins fell on Him only in the broader picture of His love for us and our sinful condition falling on His conscience in conjunction with His own fleshly deficiencies which He ‘repaired’ by His own righteousness in the lead up to His death.

It is our recognition of and conformity to this truth that allows life enduing change to occur in us.

One web article on this subject is (https://credomag.com/article/what-really-happened-on-the-cross-part-1/#SnippetTab) 

[Just as Paul in Romans 7 revealed the fallen state of man, so too on the cross does Jesus reveal the identification with, and the healing of, this condition] [The cross was forgiveness for all but it has to be received to be effective] [We must be participant by our compliance as inherent in our belief] [As we trust in Him, our identity shifts from one of ourselves to that of Himself].

• The death of Jesus, though it ‘did nothing of itself’, ushered in the new covenant whereby a new commandment was given and various “laws” of grace appeared which superceded those of the old covenant.

CONSIDERATIONS ABOUT JESUS DEATH [4045]

It says that one died for all therefore all died. It also says that we were crucified with Him. When He died, we died. When He was crucified, we were crucified. It is also apparent that all not “in” Jesus are dead under the law. Whichever way you look at it, we are spoken of as being dead and not alive in any form, whether physical or spiritual.

Therefore it is no surprise that what Jesus is doing is to reveal to us this state of death of the natural born man of flesh and blood. And “sin” is blamed, and all but Jesus are accounted as sinners who are “dead” under the “law of sin and death”.

It remains then for the grace of God to be revealed in providing some way out of death and into life, since our natural state is that only of death.

The death of Jesus did nothing to change anything in itself. Jesus was a man just like us, so that His death could represent our death also, and make us one like Him and Him one like us. EXCEPT that His death was temporary because He contained the nature of God within Himself, so that once His body was dead, His spirit could by the power of God having given birth to newness of bodily life by that righteous spirit, rise to resurrection life in new bodily form.

So where does that leave us? Having already been declared dead in ourselves, God reaches out to us to say that if we recognise our own death state, and are prepared to leave it behind, that death being righteous because there being nothing of life worthy in us; then our death is forgiven by His mercy towards us and overlooked if we cleave to Him in recognition of His love as now provided through His Son, who in the new form of the Spirit is made available to us through His love being desirous of us to captivate us through our empathy with His empathy for us in revelation of the love that He is.

This above statement of account operates in reality by our spontaneous heart recognition of the pain and suffering we ourselves encounter in life and are concerned about, and then see in Him on the cross as being that which we deserve but which has been taken by Him on our account, for us. The revealing of sin having been dealt with in this way shows that we also must be sensitive to the pain of sin and especially our own sin.

This is why it can say that “those who are His have crucified the (our) flesh [with its passions and desires]”. Our empathy performs this crucifixion of self along with Him, as we “own our sin” which we now can do because He has paid for it for us. Truth demands we then operate outside of this former death which loses its power over us to conform us to itself and instead, we are released from the power of it and the structure of laws within our minds that confined us only to logical and defensive mechanisms: and now leaves us to follow His Spirit by way of its (His) immediate presence without regard for legalistic processes of rationalisation.

We gain a new ‘mindset’ unlike the former one which was forced to accommodate compromise and servitude to the sinful mindset, but which now places us in ‘servitude’ to Jesus the Prince of righteousness instead. His cross defined His and God’s love. We now allow love to control us in its outworking towards others, without regard for ourselves other than that we follow Him above all else.

So our sins fell on Him only in the broader picture of His love for us and our sinful condition falling on His conscience in conjunction with His own fleshly deficiencies which He ‘repaired’ by His own righteousness in the lead up to His death.

It is our recognition of and conformity to this truth that allows life enduing change to occur in us.

One web article on this subject is (https://credomag.com/article/what-really-happened-on-the-cross-part-1/#SnippetTab) 

[Just as Paul in Romans 7 revealed the fallen state of man, so too on the cross does Jesus reveal the identification with, and the healing of, this condition] [The cross was forgiveness for all but it has to be received to be effective] [We must be participant by our compliance as inherent in our belief].

THE HEART OF CHRISTIANITY IS THE HEART [1837a]

What Jesus went through was a comprehensive confrontation with and appreciation of, the sin of mankind, as embroiled in Him and as released in Him at every confrontational level. Because it was a process of love, it was highly emotional and passionate, and calls for the examination of the meaning of the words surrounding this experience he went through; and it is also necessary to connect it with the terminology and meaning of such things as “Armageddon” and “Hell*”.

Within Him it was both a complex activity of His thinking and His mind, and also an involvement of His complete person, ‘body mind and soul’. But because it was the action of love, it was also the simplest of processes, that of LOVE and loving.

The trauma associated with the process however, was traumatic, was tragic, was terrible and devastating to the point where He could no longer claim GOD as FATHER, no longer seemingly immersed in His Father’s love, but immersed in a whirlpool of guilt, dread, anguish and recrimination. He cried out “My God, My God, WHY have you forsaken me”.

He was immersed in man’s condition, that of being as one of “sin in the flesh” and His love was being tried to the uttermost limit of life itself, He was brought to the brink of death within Himself by the sheer trauma of His combined mental and physiological being. For all intent and purpose, He was MADE TO BE SIN itself.

Foremost in all of this must have been the sense of responsibility for having allowed the very notion of sin to have entered into His godly conscience and to destroy the perfection that God’s creation was; that righteousness should ever have been allowed to be assailed by unrighteousness. Yet childbirth is not without pain, and for love to be love, the process must proceed to the act of birth.

Because of His cross, the act of birth of the Pentecost Spirit which resulted from the physicality of the life and death of Jesus and His rebirth as the first of the new creation; the birth of many such sons was enabled.

Although Jesus underwent His own “Armageddon” and we do not have to [necessarily*] go through that same excruciating process, we do “ghost” His action by visiting that place where He went, not as the originators or copiers of it, but as those aware of it and in turn, emulators of it as those in empathy with Him in recognition of His empathy with us. In terms of the depths to which we might visit the place He was at, it may depend on our own appreciation of and experience with sin and guilt, so that we realise the depths from which we have been rescued. Who is forgiven much, loves much.

In as much as we draw close to His suffering, we draw close to His love, to His heart, and our own heart is cleansed. So to consider the word “Thumos” is to consider the degree of our emotional involvement in yes, this His “Passion”: Is to validate and energise our own emotional state as we consider His own, is to confront our own sinful condition as we consider His overcoming of it, and is to embrace our response as we react truly to it, to HIM. Is to first find peace. His love must become ours, that we might believe, that we might then in our own turn, LOVE, even to the point of suffering His suffering, if and as it is necessitated by the conditions we may find ourselves in, but with particular regard for the benefit of others. In that sense, “we suffer with Him”.

His love consumed and destroyed the sin. We are to consume and destroy the effects of that sin by the victory He Himself obtained over it. By His love for us, then through our love for Him, becoming His love for others.

[“We love because He first loved us”][Jesus entered into our condition of darkness in order to release us from it][The internalised law of sin and death has been, is, destroyed by the law of the Spirit of life]

THE HEART OF CHRISTIANITY IS THE HEART [1837]

What Jesus went through was a comprehensive confrontation with and appreciation of, the sin of mankind, as embroiled in Him and as released in Him at every confrontational level. Because it was a process of love, it was highly emotional and passionate, and calls for the examination of the meaning of the words surrounding this experience he went through; and it is also necessary to connect it with the terminology and meaning of such things as “Armageddon” and “Hell*”.

Within Him it was both a complex activity of His thinking and His mind, and also an involvement of His complete person, ‘body mind and soul’. But because it was the action of love, it was also the simplest of processes, that of LOVE and loving.

The trauma associated with the process however, was traumatic, was tragic, was terrible and devastating to the point where He could no longer claim GOD as FATHER, no longer seemingly immersed in His Father’s love, but immersed in a whirlpool of guilt, dread, anguish and recrimination. He cried out “My God, My God, WHY have you forsaken me”.

He was immersed in man’s condition, that of being as one of “sin in the flesh” and His love was being tried to the uttermost limit of life itself, He was brought to the brink of death within Himself by the sheer trauma of His combined mental and physiological being. For all intent and purpose, He was MADE TO BE SIN itself.

Foremost in all of this must have been the sense of responsibility for having allowed the very notion of sin to have entered into His godly conscience and to destroy the perfection that God’s creation was; that righteousness should ever have been allowed to be assailed by unrighteousness. Yet childbirth is not without pain, and for love to be love, the process must proceed to the act of birth.

Because of His cross, the act of birth of the Pentecost Spirit which resulted from the physicality of the life and death of Jesus and His rebirth as the first of the new creation; the birth of many such sons was enabled.

Although Jesus underwent His own “Armageddon” and we do not have to [necessarily*] go through that same excruciating process, we do “ghost” His action by visiting that place where He went, not as the originators or copiers of it, but as those aware of it and in turn, emulators of it as those in empathy with Him in recognition of His empathy with us. In terms of the depths to which we might visit the place He was at, it may depend on our own appreciation of and experience with sin and guilt, so that we realise the depths from which we have been rescued. Who is forgiven much, loves much.

In as much as we draw close to His suffering, we draw close to His love, to His heart, and our own heart is cleansed. So to consider the word “Thumos” is to consider the degree of our emotional involvement in yes, this His “Passion”: Is to validate and energise our own emotional state as we consider His own, is to confront our own sinful condition as we consider His overcoming of it, and is to embrace our response as we react truly to it, to HIM. Is to first find peace. His love must become ours, that we might believe, that we might then in our own turn, LOVE, even to the point of suffering His suffering, if and as it is necessitated by the conditions we may find ourselves in, but with particular regard for the benefit of others. In that sense, “we suffer with Him”.

His love consumed and destroyed the sin. We are to consume and destroy the effects of that sin by the victory He Himself obtained over it. By His love for us, then through our love for Him, becoming His love for others.

[“We love because He first loved us”][Jesus entered into our condition of darkness in order to release us from it][The internalised law of sin and death has been, is, destroyed by the law of the Spirit of life]

DID JESUS BEAR OUR SIN OR HIS OWN? [1723a]

He bore our sins only in the sense of having a common humanity with us and then “bearing” the result of that common humanity, which is DEATH. So what does that have to do with us? It does, because He came back to share with us the result of His effort, which was the Spirit of His new person, the immortalised and resurrected Spirit of Christ, this now POWERFUL and victorious SPIRIT OF LIFE, HOLY SPIRIT, that was now a complete gift to us in the form of His returned Spirit to us, as demonstrated at Pentecost.

He Himself knew no sin, had committed no sin, yet because He inhabited the same body as ours, He who knew what was in the very nature of that body, was able to confront it and overwhelm it with His own righteous Spirit, yet not without suffering, anguish and pain, both mental and physical. The unrighteousness that we are in our fleshly makeup was confronted in His own body by the righteousness that He was in His Spirit, and after much trauma, He won the victory over that which was not of God, restoring it to its correct place in our body and mind, His body the type of which He shared with us, in HIS body and mind.

This is why it is important to recognise that “Christ had come in the flesh”, OUR kind of flesh, because otherwise this repair work could not be done and the final product as per the original design intention could not be satisfied. Now that it has been satisfied in Him, it can also be satisfied in US, not by directly recreating what He has done but by FAITH, by a BELIEF, INSTALLING THAT SAME VICTORY OF THOUGHT PROCESSES INSIDE US ALSO. Actually in effect, installing HIM in US.

Laws could never recreate in us that perfect creation of design, only that which grabbed the imagination of the heart could ever do that, so it would take all that man was possible of envisioning as being possible for God to do for him to effect that recreation, and now, new creation, ultimate creation, by the vision of the power of God’s own nature, in his love for that creation as demonstrated by His Son on the cross, and the liberation of His Son as the first born of it.

We also can find liberation of spirit as we engage with Him and His Spirit, with the Son of His love. This is why it has to be by faith, because nothing but all that He can recreate in us will be sufficient to bring it about, our dedication to Him even as He is dedicated to us. Eternal life in the perfect existence, the production of a new perfect body in a new perfect world. And the reason for it all is love.

DID JESUS BEAR OUR SIN OR HIS OWN? [1723]

He bore our sins only in the sense of having a common humanity with us and then “bearing” the result of that common humanity, which is DEATH. So what does that have to do with us? It does, because He came back to share with us the result of His effort, which was the Spirit of His new person, the immortalised and resurrected Spirit of Christ, this now POWERFUL and victorious SPIRIT OF LIFE, HOLY SPIRIT, that was now a complete gift to us in the form of His returned Spirit to us, as demonstrated at Pentecost.

He Himself knew no sin, had committed no sin, yet because He inhabited the same body as ours, He who knew what was in the very nature of that body, was able to confront it and overwhelm it with His own righteous Spirit, yet not without suffering, anguish and pain, both mental and physical. The unrighteousness that we are in our fleshly makeup was confronted in His own body by the righteousness that He was in His Spirit, and after much trauma, He won the victory over that which was not of God, restoring it to its correct place in our body and mind, His body the type of which He shared with us, in HIS body and mind.

This is why it is important to recognise that “Christ had come in the flesh”, OUR kind of flesh, because otherwise this repair work could not be done and the final product as per the original design intention could not be satisfied. Now that it has been satisfied in Him, it can also be satisfied in US, not by directly recreating what He has done but by FAITH, by a BELIEF, INSTALLING THAT SAME VICTORY OF THOUGHT PROCESSES INSIDE US ALSO. Actually in effect, installing HIM in US.

Laws could never recreate in us that perfect creation of design, only that which grabbed the imagination of the heart could ever do that, so it would take all that man was possible of envisioning as being possible for God to do for him to effect that recreation, and now, new creation, ultimate creation, by the vision of the power of God’s own nature, in his love for that creation as demonstrated by His Son on the cross, and the liberation of His Son as the first born of it.

We also can find liberation of spirit as we engage with Him and His Spirit, with the Son of His love. This is why it has to be by faith, because nothing but all that He can recreate in us will be sufficient to bring it about, our dedication to Him even as He is dedicated to us. Eternal life in the perfect existence, the production of a new perfect body in a new perfect world. And the reason for it all is love.