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Romans 10:1-13

1.Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation. 2. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge. 3. For not knowing about God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. 4. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

5. For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness. 6. But the righteousness based on faith speaks thus, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), 7. or ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).”

8. But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” – that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9. that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved;

10. for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11. For the scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be disappointed.” 12. For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call upon Him; 13. for “Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Love to all.

NEW LAWS OF LIFE [4049]

One of the biggest new laws of life is to do with forgiveness. According to the Lord’s Prayer, our forgiveness only comes into play as we ourselves forgive others. If we do not forgive, it suggests that there will be inside of us some collection of brain cells which have become totally devoted to a reality of unforgiveness; and that such unforgiveness, in its soul-destroying form, will do exactly that, DESTROY YOUR SOUL. You yourself will remain unforgiven. [Though forgiveness is reaching out to embrace you.]

Since to be forgiven of these such things (unforgiveness) which are inside us but which are outside of God’s will is the only way we get to enter heaven, then to retain and ‘hang on to’ these corporate elements of non-salvation (the old sinful life attitudes) is to retain death itself; is to retain all those brain cells which are operating outside of the will and the kingdom of God.

If we are unforgiving of anyone or anything, we are outside of the grace of God that calls for us to LOVE others NO MATTER WHAT. If we do not love our fellow man who we can see, how can we love God whom we CAN’T see? [how could it be called love].

The kingdom of God within us, or Jesus within us, does not and cannot consist of anything of which the kingdom of God (or Jesus) does not consist, that which actually is called SIN. So when we let go of the old life and embrace the new, there are millions, perhaps billions of brain cells which have to be realigned with God’s way of thinking and to take the place of our OLD way of thinking. The thinking of death has to be replaced by the thinking of LIFE. Totally different structure is required.

So forgiveness (His of us) is the only way to get to Him. This ushers us into other laws of life like love, mercy, peace, joy, through the new “law of the Spirit of life” in Jesus, as Jesus.

Where we have formerly been structured around laws of sin and laws of death, as having been subject and subjected to the inner nature of the condemnation of the law; we now have to be structured around the new way of the Spirit and the “laws” pertaining thereto and thereof.

So as we have been forgiven we must also forgive, that there be no unforgiveness (darkness) within us to prevent or to hinder the new ways of righteousness from overcoming the old ways of unrighteousness, the new laws of right thinking from overcoming and changing the old brain and thought processes which are inherent in the old ways of “the flesh” or old Adamic once born nature as opposed to the twice born Jesus or SPIRIT nature inherent in brain and thought patterning.

In the words of the popular “Frozen” song, LET IT GO. Let the old nature die in and with the death of Christ.

[Love is simultaneously both the widest (in its embrace) and narrowest (in its purpose) of paths].

THE EYES OF YOUR HEART [4048]

That they might understand with their HEART, and turn, and I would heal them. Eph.1:18 “I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe.”

Now here we have an example of that which to the logical, is illogical, and to the rational, irrational. Our heart does not have eyes, yet the description perfectly conveys to us the intended meaning, just as ‘darkness’ and ‘light’ do.

Just as we might seek for a definition of “flesh”, so also might we seek the biblical definition of “heart”.

But even in secular circles the notion of “heart” is commonly understood to mean that which is connected to the emotions rather than that which is connected to the “mind”.

You see that Paul in Romans 7 was involved with his MIND, while all the time it was his HEART that condemned him. The rational and the logical are more the domain of ROBOTS than of human beings who FEEL with their heart, not with their mind.

So “eyes of your heart” suggests a “seeing” or vision which encompasses far more than the vision of the eyes, with far more at stake. And to understand with the heart is of far greater importance than to understand with one’s mind, there being a greater weight of conviction behind it, and the added force of the weight of emotion behind it.

Such is the nature of the cross, that we can only see this with spiritual eyes of the heart, only in this way is the truth of the cross and of the gospel heavily impacted on our whole being, body mind and soul, or spirit; only then can transference of the truth of Him be found in us, and only then will sufficient response be found in order to effect an entry into spiritual light that is itself the kingdom of God.

[2 Cor.4:6 “For God who said, “Light shall shine out of darkness”, is the one who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.”] 

PREDESTINATION PART TWO [4047]

Since “all things work together with them that love God”, then this is God’s will. God works all things together for them that love Him, which works differently for those who do NOT love Him. In that case, God’s will is NOT done and therefore is not “predestined” towards all people as it is towards those that love Him. And since God foreknew this, then His will is towards and in favour of those who ended up loving Him. And NOT in favour of those who do not and did not. (They did not, do not, [will not?] receive this blessing).

Eph.1:3 He HAS blessed us in Christ, in whom He chose us beforehand. (foreknowing us). If it does not, has not happened, then it was not predestined and God’s will could not, was not, achieved or achievable.

Everything that happens is predestined in that case, so that everything may work good for those who are His.

By the whole and complete set of circumstances that exist in the world, to the best of God’s will; it is done. It is only not done where man does not do it; refuses to do it.

Eph.1:5 Everything was in accordance with the kind INTENTION of His will. It is only those who take up His kind intention that see His will as predetermined in the positive sense, and that in themselves.

Eph.1:4 He chose us who were to be IN HIM because we loved Him according to His foreknowledge.

[‘MAY IT BE SO THAT’ – “Thy will be done on Earth as it is in heaven…” but it is only done where man agrees to will it, other than certain sovereign acts. God from the beginning knew those who would be His, so that from that time on (the beginning) He could call them His children of adoption.]

Those in Christ are those chosen to be in Christ, ordered as fore-ordained by His foreknowledge that these would be so.

Eph.1:11 We have obtained an inheritance, having been those in accordance with the predestination of His purpose.

[Eph.2:10. “For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared BEFOREHAND, that we should walk in them”]. [the ‘principle’ of predestination works backwards, that which is the end result is that which has been fore-ordained in the foreknowledge of God as being the predestination of His will, and His will cannot be thwarted by man, only abrogated.]

EDIT [Since Paul is speaking to believers, it may be correct to observe that the overall intention was towards all believers, not in the personal sense individually of and up to and including the action and activity of conversion, but of those of this converted group as a whole?]   (https://www.crossway.org/articles/help-im-struggling-with-the-doctrine-of-predestination)

PREDESTINATION [4046]

The idea of predestination always seemed wrong to me. The thought that no matter who we were or what we did, that we had already been predestined to whatever it was that God had already prearranged for us, seemed so negative a thought as to barely be worth consideration.

That it meant that we had no will in the matter, no matter what else was happening, we were going to end up in a prearranged destination, in or at a prearranged place. This then included either heaven or hell, unless there were other alternatives, which apparently there are not.

The one overwhelming thing about it was that we may as well cease to worry about it because it appears to be that, according to scriptures concerning this, it is out of our hands completely, and in God’s hands alone. Which if you believe in good and bad, must seem to be a good thing by any logical means. After all, God is a good God, so whatever He has decided must be, then that must be good for “the universe”, surely?

BUT ‘what about me’? What options appear to me on the basis of choice having been removed? If we believe in a Jesus and his grace mercy and forgiveness to sinners, then the only option that presents itself is that of ‘falling into line’ with whatever it appears to be that He approves of, IE faith in Jesus. And that transcribes into joining a church and following whatever ‘faith in Jesus’ appears to be. And fellowshipping with others of the faith.

So give up your struggles, fall in line with Christian beliefs, and accept that all you can do is to accept what He has in store for you along the way, and ‘at the end’.

After all, you have no choice in the matter, so RELAX and enjoy the ride. Somewhere along the way, you may find that the fruit of this Spirit of Christ also appears in YOU and suddenly it all makes sense that He and He alone justifiably has control over ALL things, even YOU. [complete with your bad choices?]

[Does this ring true to you? Check the relevant scriptures for confirmation that it either is or is not].

It is suggested that this issue is modified by the principle of “foreknowledge”. But predestination is not just foreknowledge surely, because otherwise the use of the word PREDESTINATION or especially PREDESTINED is being used wrongly. It is a different thing to say that EG “God” knows where you will end up THROUGH YOUR CHOICES, to saying that you will end up somewhere REGARDLESS of your choices. The word predestined surely means that someone or something has decided your destiny for you, rather than to say that it is your own choices that have decided your destiny?

Your choices may predestine you or even perhaps have already predestined you, but can we then say that GOD has done this thing? Surely we have to say that it is we ourselves who “do it”, and that God only knows what it is that we will do, what choices we will make, what will be the end result so that where we will end up is already known???

Further investigation required.

The creation was predestined to glory, but our choices can negate this?

LET’S TALK TURKEY ABOUT WHY CHURCHES ARE FAILING [1967a]

There is much on the internet as to why churches are failing. There is mention of a woman priest in Canada who doesn’t even believe in Jesus, and there are probably all sorts of other variations around this theme. Recently a local church employed a pastor who ignores scripture and comes up with his own version of it, having built up his own philosophy of “Christianity” which simply wants to accept EVERYBODY which is wonderful except that he forgets to mention a thing called SIN and SINNING.

I was trying to locate a web article called “Is your church a theology free zone?” where his bottom line is “What happened to truth? Where is it to be found?” And THAT of course is the whole problem, that churches are and have been, leaving TRUTH for quite a while now, and maybe ever since churches were even conceived of.

Of course, everybody seems to have their own version of TRUTH, so what can you do? Denominations and sects and cults pop up all over the place with all sorts of ideas from the logical to the unbelievable. Basically, is there a GOD or is there not? What kind of God is He? Or is He a She??

What happened to scriptural truth? Sure there are a few problems with translations, but other than that it seems that people are simply CARELESS with the truth of what it is saying to us. So we end up dealing with LIES.

There are many DOCTRINES to choose from. Let’s start with HELL. Of course this is not a popular subject, so if you don’t like it then throw that one away. Let’s just dispense with hell, a subject Jesus mentioned on many occasions, because after all, we can’t have a god of love burning people with fire, can we?

So on to whether we go to heaven or hell when we die. It is nice to think that we go to heaven and don’t go to hell isn’t it? But what if we actually DO NOT GO TO HEAVEN AT ANY TIME? Why would we go to heaven when there is a new EARTH to come? And as to it happening when we die, the scriptural evidence would more suggest that when we die, guess what, we go TO THE GRAVE. Are we not familiar with the words about “THOSE WHO SLEEP IN THE EARTH” or similar? Lazarus “SLEPT”, Stephen “fell ASLEEP”. But on the barest of evidence the world thinks otherwise.

And that great lie that says Paul was in Romans 7 writing about the Christian experience, when he was writing about the very opposite, the Pre-Christian experience, so that all that defeat and the victory of Satan over us is falsely depicted as being the result of Christ’s victory in our lives. NO WONDER NONE OF IT MAKES SENSE. No wonder few actually seem to experience victory over sin in their lives? But this is what many teach, and many believe them.

CHRISTIANITY is becoming an unknown religion AND IS BEING EXPLOITED by many deceivers because people are dealing with LIES and not with TRUTH.

For an opposing view and an example of this common deception, see (https://wordpress.com/read/blogs/228975511/posts/462)

WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON THE CROSS [4045a]

It says that one died for all therefore all died. It also says that we were crucified with Him. When He died, we died. When He was crucified, we were crucified. It is also apparent that all not “in” Jesus are dead under the law. Whichever way you look at it, we are spoken of as being dead and not alive in any form, whether physical or spiritual.

Therefore it is no surprise that what Jesus is doing is to reveal to us this state of death of the natural born man of flesh and blood. And “sin” is blamed, and all but Jesus are accounted as sinners who are “dead” under the “law of sin and death”.

It remains then for the grace of God to be revealed in providing some way out of death and into life, since our natural state is that only of death.

The death of Jesus did nothing* to change anything in itself. Jesus was a man just like us, so that His death could represent our death also, and make us one like Him and Him one like us. EXCEPT that His death was temporary because He contained the nature of God within Himself, so that once His body was dead, His spirit could by the power of God having given birth to newness of bodily life by that righteous spirit, rise to resurrection life in new bodily form.

So where does that leave us? Having already been declared dead in ourselves, God reaches out to us to say that if we recognise our own death state, and are prepared to leave it behind, that death being righteous because there being nothing of life worthy in us; then our death is forgiven by His mercy towards us and overlooked if we cleave to Him in recognition of His love as now provided through His Son, who in the new form of the Spirit is made available to us through His love being desirous of us to captivate us through our empathy with His empathy for us in revelation of the love that He is.

This above statement of account operates in reality by our spontaneous heart recognition of the pain and suffering we ourselves encounter in life and are concerned about, and then see in Him on the cross as being that which we deserve but which has been taken by Him on our account, for us. The revealing of sin having been dealt with in this way shows that we also must be sensitive to the pain of sin and especially our own sin.

This is why it can say that “those who are His have crucified the (our) flesh [with its passions and desires]”. Our empathy performs this crucifixion of self along with Him, as we “own our sin” which we now can do because He has paid for it for us. Truth demands we then operate outside of this former death which loses its power over us to conform us to itself and instead, we are released from the power of it and the structure of laws within our minds that confined us only to logical and defensive mechanisms: and now leaves us to follow His Spirit by way of its (His) immediate presence without regard for legalistic processes of rationalisation.

We gain a new ‘mindset’ unlike the former one which was forced to accommodate compromise and servitude to the sinful mindset, but which now places us in ‘servitude’ to Jesus the Prince of righteousness instead. His cross defined His and God’s love. We now allow love to control us in its outworking towards others, without regard for ourselves other than that we follow Him above all else.

So our sins fell on Him only in the broader picture of His love for us and our sinful condition falling on His conscience in conjunction with His own fleshly deficiencies which He ‘repaired’ by His own righteousness in the lead up to His death.

It is our recognition of and conformity to this truth that allows life enduing change to occur in us.

One web article on this subject is (https://credomag.com/article/what-really-happened-on-the-cross-part-1/#SnippetTab

[Just as Paul in Romans 7 revealed the fallen state of man, so too on the cross does Jesus reveal the identification with, and the healing of, this condition] [The cross was forgiveness for all but it has to be received to be effective] [We must be participant by our compliance as inherent in our belief] [As we trust in Him, our identity shifts from one of ourselves to that of Himself].

  • The death of Jesus, though it ‘did nothing of itself’, ushered in the new covenant whereby a new commandment was given and various “laws” of grace appeared which superceded those of the old covenant.

CONSIDERATIONS ABOUT JESUS DEATH [4045]

It says that one died for all therefore all died. It also says that we were crucified with Him. When He died, we died. When He was crucified, we were crucified. It is also apparent that all not “in” Jesus are dead under the law. Whichever way you look at it, we are spoken of as being dead and not alive in any form, whether physical or spiritual.

Therefore it is no surprise that what Jesus is doing is to reveal to us this state of death of the natural born man of flesh and blood. And “sin” is blamed, and all but Jesus are accounted as sinners who are “dead” under the “law of sin and death”.

It remains then for the grace of God to be revealed in providing some way out of death and into life, since our natural state is that only of death.

The death of Jesus did nothing to change anything in itself. Jesus was a man just like us, so that His death could represent our death also, and make us one like Him and Him one like us. EXCEPT that His death was temporary because He contained the nature of God within Himself, so that once His body was dead, His spirit could by the power of God having given birth to newness of bodily life by that righteous spirit, rise to resurrection life in new bodily form.

So where does that leave us? Having already been declared dead in ourselves, God reaches out to us to say that if we recognise our own death state, and are prepared to leave it behind, that death being righteous because there being nothing of life worthy in us; then our death is forgiven by His mercy towards us and overlooked if we cleave to Him in recognition of His love as now provided through His Son, who in the new form of the Spirit is made available to us through His love being desirous of us to captivate us through our empathy with His empathy for us in revelation of the love that He is.

This above statement of account operates in reality by our spontaneous heart recognition of the pain and suffering we ourselves encounter in life and are concerned about, and then see in Him on the cross as being that which we deserve but which has been taken by Him on our account, for us. The revealing of sin having been dealt with in this way shows that we also must be sensitive to the pain of sin and especially our own sin.

This is why it can say that “those who are His have crucified the (our) flesh [with its passions and desires]”. Our empathy performs this crucifixion of self along with Him, as we “own our sin” which we now can do because He has paid for it for us. Truth demands we then operate outside of this former death which loses its power over us to conform us to itself and instead, we are released from the power of it and the structure of laws within our minds that confined us only to logical and defensive mechanisms: and now leaves us to follow His Spirit by way of its (His) immediate presence without regard for legalistic processes of rationalisation.

We gain a new ‘mindset’ unlike the former one which was forced to accommodate compromise and servitude to the sinful mindset, but which now places us in ‘servitude’ to Jesus the Prince of righteousness instead. His cross defined His and God’s love. We now allow love to control us in its outworking towards others, without regard for ourselves other than that we follow Him above all else.

So our sins fell on Him only in the broader picture of His love for us and our sinful condition falling on His conscience in conjunction with His own fleshly deficiencies which He ‘repaired’ by His own righteousness in the lead up to His death.

It is our recognition of and conformity to this truth that allows life enduing change to occur in us.

One web article on this subject is (https://credomag.com/article/what-really-happened-on-the-cross-part-1/#SnippetTab

[Just as Paul in Romans 7 revealed the fallen state of man, so too on the cross does Jesus reveal the identification with, and the healing of, this condition] [The cross was forgiveness for all but it has to be received to be effective] [We must be participant by our compliance as inherent in our belief].

THE PREMILLENNIAL DECEPTION by Brian Schwertley [922x]

PREMILLENNIAL CONTRADICTIONS

Preface – Why is it that people see things so differently? Has it got to do with predestination? This article ‘Chiliasm examined in the light of scripture’ shows how widely divergent are some Christian views on ‘important’ subjects – how widely differing views exist, seemingly on whim or on a combination of ignorance or over-education or simple brain patterning according to our various upbringing or life experience.

While perhaps not seeming to be a major topic, this matter of the end times involves some very crucial understandings that touch on all aspects of Christian life. Maybe it is again simply a matter of the difference between a heart understanding or an intellectual one which is at stake here, and dare I say, is it a matter of through what and whose brain [Heart] the Spirit is able to find an easier pathway?

Brian Schwertly: The Premillennial Deception: Chiliasm Examined in the Light of Scripture (1996)

“The Premillennial Deception” by Brian Schwertley.      http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/eschatology/the-premillennial-deception.shtml

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5ccv6mwoyrd9ksz/The%20Premillenial%20Deception.pdf?dl=0

Also see the book “The Momentous Event” by William J Grier.

Also “The inconsistency of Chiliasm”   http://www.orthodoxphotos.com/readings/end/chiliasm.shtml

[Mat.23-13. “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from men; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in”.][It is almost amusing that today these same who deny others entry to the kingdom are simultaneously denying themselves because they deny the kingdom is presently accessible].

HOW AND WHY THE CROSS OF LOVE WORKS [4044]

If you have been relieved of a tremendous burden, then you will most probably be extremely grateful to the one who released you from it. If this burden had to do with the loss of love while simultaneously appreciating the wonder and glory of that love, then restoration to and of love itself may well mean that love itself or Himself becomes very prominent in your thoughts and aspirations.

Past actions thoughts and deeds that have caused pain to yourself and others, that have caused fears and guilts to build up or to be simply obscured because their reality within your consciousness have caused a darkness of soul, possibly creating depression and anxiety within you, come against your delight in life and your happy experience of it.

In relation to the death of Jesus, just what do you think happened? How and why did He “bear our sins” in His OWN BODY. What does this mean and how could it have happened? We assume that faith means we just accept that He was a “sacrifice for our sins”, but what exactly happened to bring that about, to make it real?

The “bearing of our sin” is something that WE DO* within ourselves, in relation and in context to the pain that Jesus felt within Himself. First let’s say that it says that “He was PRESENTED AS a sacrifice for sin, which wording is expressive of the notion that He was NOT a “sacrifice” for sin, since He was only “PRESENTED” as one, meaning He was not ACTUALLY one (as per the old animal sacrifices of the law).

The reality of Jesus bearing sin only connects to us as we exercise FAITH (IE we believe) in His sacrifice, and other than by faith we don’t and probably WON’T connect with Him. [It is the HEART that makes the connection].

So the bearing of sin* is associated with the punishment for sin, which we see or perceive, or have been told that it is so; that JESUS EXPERIENCED ‘on the cross’ but additionally in the garden, where, foreseeing this pain that He was going to experience, both physical and mental; He asked God to release Him from it if it be possible to achieve the end result any other way. Which it was not.

What pain, WHOSE pain was He to experience? There was no direct TRANSFERENCE of OUR SIN TO HIM. The sin He was to experience the pain of, was firstly from the conscious knowledge of the suffering that sin had caused all mankind, and this was heavy upon Him because He Himself, just as God Himself, was LOVE and was LOVING towards the creation that His Father had brought into being.

This love and loving was to duplicate within Himself that same pain that mankind felt, called empathy, and not without reference to HIS CONSCIENCE, where he was conscious of it all. Conscious that the creation had brought forth such suffering and sorrow on creatures who really had little power to resist all that was around them in the form of corruption of the image of the God who is.

Secondly, He Himself was an example of this creation, being one of its “fallen” creatures also by way of the corruption introduced by Adam, except His Father was not a fallen father as our own. He had to be made in every way like us, which includes the susceptibility to being tempted just like we are, otherwise His “sacrifice” would not be authentic if He could not experience REAL TEMPTATION just like us. His nature was “fallen” just as ours is, except that He Himself had done nothing of Himself to attribute to this “fallen” condition, He just ended up with the same physiology as us, which had the ABILITY and the TENDENCY and the PROPENSITY to sin loaded within Himself, in the same nature of “flesh” as we ourselves carry.

So firstly tackling the fact of His identification and empathy with us. We see His sorrow as He wept for Jerusalem, weeping in the same way within for all of fallen humanity. He felt our pain, He felt our absence of His love within us, and He wept as a Father for His children. This created in Him great pain and anguish of heart, the pain He felt was part of “the wrath of God” because he was in consideration of all those who had fallen short of the glory of God, and the “wrath of God” consists NOT of ANGER but simply of a difference of expression caused by love in antithesis of non-love. This difference or disparity creates conflict between the inner elements of corruption and non-corruption and turmoil of the thoughts and mind results in severe agitation of being, creating anguish.

Secondly the matter of temptation results in a rebuttal and refusal of those elements seeking to bring about that corruption of the God nature within, and in Jesus they sought to destroy His identity as Son of God by causing Him to act outside of that godly nature of God that Jesus contained and was. For this temptation to be REAL it had to involve the stressing of his integrity and the agitation of those fallen physiological elements within Himself, again those things which cause inner pain and anguish. In other words, the temptation had to be REAL ENOUGH to involve that corruption of the “flesh” which ALL HUMAN NATURE CONTAINS AND IS, even the Son of God. Notably then, HIS temptations were of greater strength and force and importance than ours.

When all of this was taken into account in the garden and on the cross, we find that Jesus was subjected to those stresses due to the confounding of and “breaking”, transgressing of God’s “laws”, which is only saying that Jesus “felt the Father’s wrath” on account of those sins and transgressions. Except it is NOT WRATH BUT LOVE which is in action here and causing those immense painful mental stresses in His body and causing anguish of soul. Not only had He to deal with the accusations of bringing into being a creation which became corrupt and introduced evil to mankind, He also had to deal with those self-same corrupted elements within Himself, in His OWN BODY.

The conflict between Himself who was innocent in all respects of being anything to do with the emergence of evil from within Himself, or from the rest of mankind for that matter; was experienced by Him as pain and suffering as the conflict between His own loving nature and the corruption of the human body took place, resulting in what we call WRATH and attribute to God, when it is really His LOVE doing it all.

He was tempted in all ways, yet WITHOUT SIN. ALL that He was subjected to, mental torment and anguish and physical torment as well, resulted only in righteousness from Him, steadfast even though He called “My God, My God, WHY have you ABANDONED ME?”.

When we see Him on that cross, experiencing OUR pain grief and sorrow INNOCENTLY, as well as our guilt and condemnation as HE died for US; then LOVE is defined and observed and hopefully capitulated to in our empathy with Him and HIS empathy with us so as to cause us to believe and recognise the great tragedy of sin and suffering due to the corruption of our inner selves that we have been involved in.

“We love because He first loved us”.

It is our capitulation to the truth of the grief of our own sin that turns us away from it, to the one who bore it for us out of the love he bears towards us. The greatness of the debt PAID IN FULL changes our hearts as we believe and embrace Him and His loving purpose towards us and all of His creation, His death frees us from our own because we turn away from it and turn towards Him who by His love HAS removed AND DOES ONGOINGLY remove our corruption as we remain in Him for His loving forgiveness to do so, as we embrace it and Him in totality.

So our sin and sinful nature is removed, or changed, AS WE ALLOW HIM TO DO SO by His forgiveness of us and by allowing the love that He is to work in us. As we join with Him, with His resurrected SPIRIT BODY, we are empowered to cleave to Him in ongoing participation of the embrace of His power through love to change us, even as He has already done so.

The effect of Him dying on the cross was to bring into power and effect the reality of Him dealing with sin once and for all so that believing mankind may accept, embrace and “participate in the divine nature”.

So there is no trickery here, redemption means you have been brought and bought out from under the power of sin and law. Once you were called “sinners”, now you are not. Jesus, having rescued “the woman caught in adultery” said to her, do any condemn you? Neither do I, go now and SIN NO MORE.

Salvation and redemption is so only because people are brought out from under the power and control of sin so that they can then have victory over it all, that they truly are able then to “go and sin no more”. But if they do sin, they have an advocate.

So Jesus bore within His own body, every aspect of the fallen nature of mankind, and in the process of confronting it with His loving righteousness, destroyed and converted it to that nature that was of Himself, and that by His Spirit, the Spirit that He Himself is, though He be seated in Heaven with the Father, He takes us to sit with Him also in heavenly places, as we are born again, which means we have experienced “The First Resurrection” WITH HIM who WAS the “First Resurrection”.

Other aspects include the natural man’s consciousness, in his conscience, of being separated from the nature of God. Having been made in the likeness of God he becomes conscious of things which are in opposition to that nature and contrary to it, within himself. This awareness is by that which we call “law”, which exists to some degree as a natural form of conscience, but which becomes ever more acute as we are subjected to increasing knowledge concerning that “law” or character of God, E.G. by “The Law”, or in fact as it has bearing on our conscience, by any socially accepted standards of cultural behaviour, be they right or wrong.

This guilt or awareness of “sinfulness” provides a permanent barrier between us and God, as we are only aware of it and of Him through our “transgression” against His nature. We are aware of the transgression but not of any way to be able to restore ourselves to moral rightness. We become aware only of a God of “wrath” because of the inner consternation it causes in us through it. Judgement is there, but without mercy or forgiveness, even though we are able to discern correct judgement ON OURSELVES, we are unable to bring mercy and forgiveness to ourselves, such being the nature of the now truly besmirched image of God within us which is unable to redeem itself, by itself and of itself, and with which we identify.

We need to be able to re-identify ourselves with that image of God by the way of the forgiveness and love which we only realised within us as we found ourselves to be in transgression of them, which then stirred up that knowledge of good and evil which we gained through Adam.

We can only remediate all of this by the knowledge and assimilation of the love God has for us and has put forward towards us and made known to us through the sacrifice made by His Son Jesus, and which and in whose pain He himself participated by His love.

God is love and only love, and His nature is incompatible with ‘other’ nature, that which was not derived from Himself. When the two natures meet together there is a collision which we call “wrath”, but which is really only His love meeting with the ‘other nature’ whatever it be, and in this case it is man who ‘comes off the worse for wear’ if he is not ultimately found to be in Jesus. Those in Jesus are not being destroyed by this love force or nature, but are themselves through being outside of their natural nature but inside the Jesus nature (and He in them) being CHANGED by the confrontive and corrective action of God’s love on them.

So the conscience of Jesus, as assailed by the knowledge of our sin and pain, was therefore also assailed with the selfsame consciousness of sin and pain by the knowledge of it in the face and presence of His love, [also magnified by God consciousness] and that for us. He was empathetic. It is the recognition of this on our part, that then simultaneously gives birth to empathy and love within us, with the bond of great indebtedness of ourselves towards Him, with intense thankfulness.

[Jesus is not God because Jesus could be tempted whereas God cannot be tempted. God could be in Jesus but only as Spirit interaction with their respective identities always separately and clearly defined. Jesus became the Spirit, they did not exist simultaneously as two entities. There was God’s Spirit and then there was either Jesus OR the Spirit that He became. Jesus recognised the “Spirit” that He was to become, as a separate entity to Himself, but that which He had NOT YET become. Jesus was always subservient to His Father.]

[So Jesus bore that which was in Him in His “flesh” nature that was a corruption of the creation because 1. It (He) was able to be tempted, and 2. It (He) was potentially able to fall to that temptation, both aspects which are unattributable to God but ARE attributable to US; with the modifier that the “God in Jesus” as Him being the Son of His Father, having the Spirit of His Father guiding Him at all times into His own spirit of righteousness, when tempted was able to REFUTE its authenticity utterly and completely.]

LOVE then, comes [is perceived] as (destructive) wrath towards those corruptive elements wherever they may be located, whether they be in us or external to us; but comes as corrective LOVE [can be perceived as] pertaining to the recovery of His creation and its (His) purpose. In either case, PAIN may be felt as this action takes place. This interaction within the body of Jesus was complex because He Himself was “of” the creation, but while also being the Son [from heaven] of the Creator, in which status He accepted responsibility for the sin of mankind and for the love which was to recover it from its fallen condition.

The love that Jesus was, felt the pain and anguish of His fallen creation within Himself, His own body, suffering all that it [we] do and have done. He felt the antithesis of love, even of Himself, so that He truly became sin for us in Himself, and wrath for us by the consciousness of it. By the action of [the Father’s] love, He Himself was subjected to the full recreative force of the correction action of love on sinful flesh, involving the full stresses of the reality of a creation without love, without God, its very Father and Creator, and in full recognition of the responsibility for it.

Love then, identifies with pain as being its antithesis, and therefore its nemesis, and the difference in its inevitable conflict is evidenced as suffering. Jesus so loved. God so loved. Love hurts where there is no love when and where there should be, especially in the creature that we are.

All of the pain of the absence of love in mankind as evidenced in sin, pain, suffering, guilt, anguish, torture, depression, guilt, anxiety, darkness; as being the world without God; was consciously evidenced in the body of Christ. As He loved us “unto death” death on a cross.

[‘Those who are His HAVE CRUCIFIED* the flesh with its passions and desires – We were crucified WITH HIM (just as it says we died with Him) the word says, and it is because of this that our empathetic reaction causes us to also ‘crucify our own flesh’ [as we see it crucified with Him and BY Him] along with Him. We join with Him in the revealed TRUTH of all things pertaining to sin and guilt that was shown on the cross. So in this sense we bear our own sin alongside Him having born it for us. “Let us also go and die with Him…” the disciples said, and this is an extension of that statement. There was no transference of our sins to His body, it was all a communication of and identification with, LOVE and our response to that, to Him.]

Believe with the HEART.

[If only we die a death like His. Romans 6:5]